1 00:00:12,709 --> 00:00:09,379 on this episode of skeptical I was just 2 00:00:14,749 --> 00:00:12,719 so angry and I know I can talk to this 3 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:14,759 because I do that my job at the medium 4 00:00:24,080 --> 00:00:20,010 and I decided um in my anger to talk to 5 00:00:27,410 --> 00:00:24,090 the spirits at his work and basically I 6 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:27,420 told them to basically attack him you 7 00:00:32,810 --> 00:00:30,090 know hurt him attack him whatever I just 8 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:32,820 don't care I could feel the energy in my 9 00:00:39,619 --> 00:00:36,570 body it was different than the energy 10 00:00:43,010 --> 00:00:39,629 that normally comes to me when I do this 11 00:00:46,160 --> 00:00:43,020 type of work it was it was stronger and 12 00:00:48,049 --> 00:00:46,170 it was but it was darker and I of course 13 00:00:49,580 --> 00:00:48,059 I did this at night and probably under a 14 00:00:52,250 --> 00:00:49,590 full moon or something but it was just 15 00:00:54,939 --> 00:00:52,260 it was scary and I I was by myself and I 16 00:00:57,979 --> 00:00:54,949 was just at that point I didn't care and 17 00:01:00,889 --> 00:00:57,989 I could feel it and then I felt 18 00:01:03,670 --> 00:01:00,899 something come up behind me and it was 19 00:01:08,420 --> 00:01:03,680 just ever so slightly and it was 20 00:01:12,950 --> 00:01:08,430 basically saying like yes yes we can do 21 00:01:16,910 --> 00:01:12,960 that but what will you do for us stay 22 00:01:26,770 --> 00:01:24,570 [Music] 23 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:26,780 welcome to skeptical where we explore 24 00:01:30,940 --> 00:01:28,490 controversial science and spirituality 25 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:30,950 with leading researchers thinkers and 26 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:31,850 their critics 27 00:01:36,910 --> 00:01:34,130 I'm your host Alex Karras and on today's 28 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:36,920 episode I have in the studio with me 29 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:38,570 actually I don't have her right now 30 00:01:44,260 --> 00:01:40,610 because I recorded this earlier but 31 00:01:48,430 --> 00:01:44,270 mediumistic healer chandler communicator 32 00:01:51,370 --> 00:01:48,440 life coach joy Lynne is joining me now a 33 00:01:52,990 --> 00:01:51,380 quick back story here I originally heard 34 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:53,000 about joy through interview on 35 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:55,130 mysterious universe about a year ago 36 00:01:59,620 --> 00:01:57,170 publish a link in the show notes it's a 37 00:02:02,050 --> 00:01:59,630 fantastic interview tells the story of 38 00:02:04,150 --> 00:02:02,060 joy who is this engineer type who 39 00:02:06,730 --> 00:02:04,160 suddenly and dramatically starts having 40 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:06,740 these experiences with spirits thinks 41 00:02:10,180 --> 00:02:08,929 she's going crazy goes through all the 42 00:02:12,550 --> 00:02:10,190 conventional kind of medical 43 00:02:14,350 --> 00:02:12,560 explanations and ultimately winds up 44 00:02:16,270 --> 00:02:14,360 with a Reiki healer who says no I'm 45 00:02:17,950 --> 00:02:16,280 sorry it's not that it's just that 46 00:02:20,350 --> 00:02:17,960 you're connected now and you got to deal 47 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:20,360 with it and she has done that and done 48 00:02:25,300 --> 00:02:22,850 that in a pretty amazing way now I know 49 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:25,310 joy because I contacted here and I tell 50 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:27,170 the story later in the interview to do a 51 00:02:31,270 --> 00:02:29,570 healing for me because I was going 52 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:31,280 through a health issue and I decided 53 00:02:35,199 --> 00:02:33,250 that while I was at the same time doing 54 00:02:37,479 --> 00:02:35,209 conventional therapy which was a 55 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:37,489 disaster by the way I would also seek 56 00:02:42,340 --> 00:02:40,370 alternative treatments of various kinds 57 00:02:45,130 --> 00:02:42,350 including this and while I can't say her 58 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:45,140 healing per se changed anything for me 59 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:47,450 the intuitive information that she 60 00:02:50,979 --> 00:02:49,010 brought through in that healing was 61 00:02:53,500 --> 00:02:50,989 dramatically profound and I said wow 62 00:02:55,180 --> 00:02:53,510 you're the real deal I have to have you 63 00:02:57,220 --> 00:02:55,190 on skeptic oh because there's all these 64 00:02:59,590 --> 00:02:57,230 issues that keep coming up about what's 65 00:03:01,180 --> 00:02:59,600 really going on with mediumship what's 66 00:03:03,220 --> 00:03:01,190 really going on with healing what's 67 00:03:04,449 --> 00:03:03,230 really going on with good and evil and 68 00:03:06,070 --> 00:03:04,459 these other realms and she has some 69 00:03:08,890 --> 00:03:06,080 incredible stories about that by the way 70 00:03:10,540 --> 00:03:08,900 very chilling if you will so all that 71 00:03:12,550 --> 00:03:10,550 stuff got wrapped into this interview it 72 00:03:13,750 --> 00:03:12,560 was a long discussion she was here in 73 00:03:15,729 --> 00:03:13,760 the studio and we just talked 74 00:03:18,460 --> 00:03:15,739 conversationally and I've tried to edit 75 00:03:20,530 --> 00:03:18,470 into something meaningful I do have to 76 00:03:21,850 --> 00:03:20,540 say at the very beginning it does kind 77 00:03:23,860 --> 00:03:21,860 of jump right into the middle of this 78 00:03:26,890 --> 00:03:23,870 conversation we were having and I was 79 00:03:29,710 --> 00:03:26,900 talking about my recent interview with 80 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:29,720 Renee on astrology and the reading 81 00:03:33,910 --> 00:03:31,850 that we had so I hope that isn't too 82 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:33,920 confusing but you'll get into it really 83 00:03:37,780 --> 00:03:35,930 quickly and understand if you've 84 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:37,790 listened to skip to go at all you'll 85 00:03:42,190 --> 00:03:39,890 understand what we're talking about 86 00:03:43,990 --> 00:03:42,200 here's my interview with Joey Lynn I 87 00:03:45,820 --> 00:03:44,000 mean I'll just lay my cards on the tent 88 00:03:48,310 --> 00:03:45,830 at the beginning with maybe I shouldn't 89 00:03:50,860 --> 00:03:48,320 do this but it's like you know when I 90 00:03:53,110 --> 00:03:50,870 was talking to her I was like I don't 91 00:03:58,750 --> 00:03:53,120 think you've quite sorted out how much 92 00:04:00,490 --> 00:03:58,760 of this is psychic to just use a common 93 00:04:03,490 --> 00:04:00,500 term versus how much of this is 94 00:04:05,949 --> 00:04:03,500 astrology yeah and it's like when we 95 00:04:07,780 --> 00:04:05,959 talked initially one of the things that 96 00:04:09,220 --> 00:04:07,790 I thought was really cool or I 97 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:09,230 appreciate about what you did is we were 98 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:10,730 talking along and you said okay do you 99 00:04:16,570 --> 00:04:13,490 mind if I do the Tarot like I know this 100 00:04:19,330 --> 00:04:16,580 is stupid not stupid yeah you know what 101 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:19,340 I mean that there's no logical 102 00:04:23,650 --> 00:04:22,130 connection between shuffling this deck 103 00:04:25,659 --> 00:04:23,660 and dividing it and looking at these 104 00:04:28,409 --> 00:04:25,669 pictures and saying anything about any 105 00:04:30,790 --> 00:04:28,419 event and you because you're 106 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:30,800 scientifically minded engineer and 107 00:04:33,940 --> 00:04:32,450 that's what I think I was drawn to you 108 00:04:35,860 --> 00:04:33,950 buy and I think other people are drawn 109 00:04:39,790 --> 00:04:35,870 to you for that same reason you're like 110 00:04:43,210 --> 00:04:39,800 yeah I get that but it seems to work it 111 00:04:45,159 --> 00:04:43,220 seems to somehow connect me or put me in 112 00:04:48,340 --> 00:04:45,169 a place where I seem to be able to help 113 00:04:51,250 --> 00:04:48,350 people so bear with me yeah no let's do 114 00:04:54,430 --> 00:04:51,260 this and I thought yes yes yes and when 115 00:04:56,409 --> 00:04:54,440 I talk to ring astrologer it was a 116 00:04:58,300 --> 00:04:56,419 really different vibe it was and I get 117 00:05:00,550 --> 00:04:58,310 that too because those people are so 118 00:05:02,380 --> 00:05:00,560 maligned I think and you know they're 119 00:05:05,140 --> 00:05:02,390 under pressure and it gets from 120 00:05:08,230 --> 00:05:05,150 skeptical people and from society in 121 00:05:10,659 --> 00:05:08,240 general that they get no this really 122 00:05:13,510 --> 00:05:10,669 works it really really really works and 123 00:05:15,430 --> 00:05:13,520 it's like well what does it mean really 124 00:05:18,219 --> 00:05:15,440 works because I wouldn't personally use 125 00:05:20,050 --> 00:05:18,229 astrology for predictive qualities 126 00:05:24,280 --> 00:05:20,060 that's me 127 00:05:27,850 --> 00:05:24,290 I honestly until my friend who works 128 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:27,860 with me sometimes told me about 129 00:05:33,580 --> 00:05:31,690 evolutionary strongly I didn't really 130 00:05:35,860 --> 00:05:33,590 buy into astrology 131 00:05:38,020 --> 00:05:35,870 because I felt was really generic it was 132 00:05:39,429 --> 00:05:38,030 like reading the horoscope and it's like 133 00:05:41,499 --> 00:05:39,439 oh you're 134 00:05:44,290 --> 00:05:41,509 and I and it's like this I'm like yeah 135 00:05:45,699 --> 00:05:44,300 yeah you know but design everyone born 136 00:05:48,609 --> 00:05:45,709 your main June is coming like this and 137 00:05:51,489 --> 00:05:48,619 I'm a Gemini too I can tell what you're 138 00:05:51,879 --> 00:05:51,499 doing really yeah when's everything June 139 00:05:56,999 --> 00:05:51,889 8th 140 00:05:59,859 --> 00:05:57,009 oh I'm May 29th well so first of all 141 00:06:02,409 --> 00:05:59,869 first of all let me say this you know 142 00:06:04,419 --> 00:06:02,419 everyone puts that down but most of us 143 00:06:07,629 --> 00:06:04,429 I just think most people I've talked to 144 00:06:09,879 --> 00:06:07,639 you have some kind of connection to 145 00:06:11,979 --> 00:06:09,889 their astrological where they go you 146 00:06:13,359 --> 00:06:11,989 know what they may I can't they want to 147 00:06:14,979 --> 00:06:13,369 kind of hold it in they don't call it 148 00:06:17,169 --> 00:06:14,989 whatever I just talked to my wife 149 00:06:19,779 --> 00:06:17,179 yesterday and she was talking about this 150 00:06:21,459 --> 00:06:19,789 and she goes you know and she's like I 151 00:06:25,449 --> 00:06:21,469 said a forensic psychologist and she is 152 00:06:27,069 --> 00:06:25,459 really totally aversive to you know all 153 00:06:28,749 --> 00:06:27,079 this stuff but at the same time it 154 00:06:30,579 --> 00:06:28,759 creeks in and she knows it's there and 155 00:06:32,409 --> 00:06:30,589 she's like I'm a Scorpio and you know 156 00:06:35,350 --> 00:06:32,419 I've always kind of identified that that 157 00:06:38,259 --> 00:06:35,360 really does kind of fit me you know so 158 00:06:41,559 --> 00:06:38,269 III think there's this push poll that 159 00:06:44,319 --> 00:06:41,569 all that I agree I Gemini I actually 160 00:06:46,419 --> 00:06:44,329 have my son moon and Venus in Gemini so 161 00:06:49,419 --> 00:06:46,429 I'm like a triple Gemini of sorts and I 162 00:06:53,879 --> 00:06:49,429 can tell my mind just goes and goes and 163 00:06:56,469 --> 00:06:53,889 I agree there are traits but traits and 164 00:06:59,109 --> 00:06:56,479 energy of those traits isn't what I 165 00:07:02,769 --> 00:06:59,119 would use astrology to use for 166 00:07:07,059 --> 00:07:02,779 predictive qualities I agree and I have 167 00:07:10,619 --> 00:07:07,069 been host religious and it is a true 168 00:07:13,839 --> 00:07:10,629 study of a language to the point like 169 00:07:16,389 --> 00:07:13,849 some astrologers that I know will talk 170 00:07:19,749 --> 00:07:16,399 into it like okay this is Pluto square 171 00:07:21,069 --> 00:07:19,759 you're Chiron leva and I will just it 172 00:07:23,290 --> 00:07:21,079 will just go over my head because I'm 173 00:07:24,999 --> 00:07:23,300 like so wait what what does that mean 174 00:07:26,529 --> 00:07:25,009 you know they're like oh this is 175 00:07:29,499 --> 00:07:26,539 transiting this and this is blah blah 176 00:07:31,540 --> 00:07:29,509 blah and I have no idea I'm like so can 177 00:07:33,609 --> 00:07:31,550 you break it down for me what exactly 178 00:07:35,079 --> 00:07:33,619 does that mean is its own language and 179 00:07:38,769 --> 00:07:35,089 there are so many different ways to look 180 00:07:40,269 --> 00:07:38,779 at astrology and study it yeah you know 181 00:07:43,179 --> 00:07:40,279 I'm sure it works for people I'm sure 182 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:43,189 people you know grow crops by the Sun in 183 00:07:46,420 --> 00:07:44,090 the moon and 184 00:07:49,629 --> 00:07:46,430 phases of things so I feel like that's 185 00:07:51,939 --> 00:07:49,639 more energy that in terms of something 186 00:07:54,790 --> 00:07:51,949 out there in the atmosphere affects our 187 00:07:56,379 --> 00:07:54,800 world too you know whether it's transit 188 00:07:59,439 --> 00:07:56,389 of something someone's just been able to 189 00:08:02,469 --> 00:07:59,449 study it from way back when with you 190 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:02,479 know the telescope and correlate of okay 191 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:05,210 this crops are growing better or people 192 00:08:10,650 --> 00:08:07,010 are more emotional and they made some 193 00:08:13,810 --> 00:08:10,660 sort of studying correlation but I never 194 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:13,820 read my horoscope daily or even when I 195 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:16,490 did go see astrologers or my friends who 196 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:18,130 were astrologers who gave me readings 197 00:08:22,450 --> 00:08:20,210 sometimes I found really generic and I 198 00:08:24,969 --> 00:08:22,460 never referred back to it see the joy 199 00:08:26,710 --> 00:08:24,979 there's like about four hours to be 200 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:26,720 pulled apart and broken down there 201 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:28,370 because you said some really I think 202 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:30,290 interesting important things from a kind 203 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:32,810 of skeptical perspective first I think 204 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:35,930 it's very interesting that you said 205 00:08:39,969 --> 00:08:38,450 there's a correlation because as I just 206 00:08:42,190 --> 00:08:39,979 alluded to and we're kind of jumping 207 00:08:45,910 --> 00:08:42,200 right into this a little of this and if 208 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:45,920 you're supposed to be do Dan Healy we're 209 00:08:51,010 --> 00:08:48,170 not supposed to be doing anything but 210 00:08:52,329 --> 00:08:51,020 we're just go with that you know in the 211 00:08:56,519 --> 00:08:52,339 middle of that interview what you tail 212 00:09:00,579 --> 00:08:56,529 will do the human okay so to properly 213 00:09:04,030 --> 00:09:00,589 properly step back and introduce joylynn 214 00:09:06,010 --> 00:09:04,040 who's wonderfully visiting me which it 215 00:09:08,290 --> 00:09:06,020 never happens only happened twice for 216 00:09:10,410 --> 00:09:08,300 skeptic Oh episode someone's sitting 217 00:09:13,630 --> 00:09:10,420 across from me and I can talk to him and 218 00:09:17,560 --> 00:09:13,640 joy is well let's see what are you doing 219 00:09:19,090 --> 00:09:17,570 what are you doing right now you are how 220 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:19,100 would you describe yourself an energy 221 00:09:25,420 --> 00:09:22,250 healer also a psychic tarot card reader 222 00:09:28,900 --> 00:09:25,430 I call myself a spiritual medium and an 223 00:09:31,510 --> 00:09:28,910 energy healer and I've been doing it for 224 00:09:34,210 --> 00:09:31,520 over 10 years and an intuitive coach I 225 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:34,220 apparently I am 226 00:09:40,710 --> 00:09:35,810 it says right here on a business card 227 00:09:43,510 --> 00:09:40,720 yeah it's hard to label myself I still 228 00:09:44,830 --> 00:09:43,520 hesitate to do it because as you know 229 00:09:48,370 --> 00:09:44,840 I've come from an engineering background 230 00:09:50,530 --> 00:09:48,380 a very science-based background and it's 231 00:09:54,220 --> 00:09:50,540 easy to say I'm a doctor I'm an engineer 232 00:09:56,470 --> 00:09:54,230 I'm a lawyer something for me though 233 00:09:58,690 --> 00:09:56,480 when people ask me know what do you from 234 00:10:00,960 --> 00:09:58,700 work I you see this look on my face 235 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:00,970 where I'm trying to gauge if one bill 236 00:10:05,020 --> 00:10:03,050 believe in this stuff and they'll kind 237 00:10:06,910 --> 00:10:05,030 of accept or look at me crazy or laugh 238 00:10:11,770 --> 00:10:06,920 at me or take me seriously I'm not even 239 00:10:13,630 --> 00:10:11,780 sure and so I go I do a lot of that's 240 00:10:16,380 --> 00:10:13,640 usually how I introduce myself they're 241 00:10:22,090 --> 00:10:16,390 like oh like what and I usually go oh 242 00:10:24,580 --> 00:10:22,100 you know I do he'll I I help people I 243 00:10:28,590 --> 00:10:24,590 kind of it say it that way and they go 244 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:28,600 oh okay are you a psychologist sometimes 245 00:10:35,170 --> 00:10:31,970 and then eventually I'll take I'm a 246 00:10:36,940 --> 00:10:35,180 medium and I usually refer to myself 247 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:36,950 more as a medium than a psychic because 248 00:10:41,710 --> 00:10:39,290 there is a sight difference well it 249 00:10:44,410 --> 00:10:41,720 hasn't become easier to talk about 250 00:10:46,210 --> 00:10:44,420 yourself as a medium I mean we have TV 251 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:46,220 shows like Long Island medium and we 252 00:10:50,380 --> 00:10:48,290 have other it's in the public awareness 253 00:10:53,830 --> 00:10:50,390 and I think psychic is still associated 254 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:53,840 with a lot of kind of chamois and the 255 00:10:58,240 --> 00:10:55,850 whole we anti palm thing and a lot of it 256 00:11:01,030 --> 00:10:58,250 which is really if you see a home out 257 00:11:03,580 --> 00:11:01,040 there you know you know it's probably 258 00:11:06,010 --> 00:11:03,590 some kind of gypsy scam thing I mean 259 00:11:09,510 --> 00:11:06,020 this a lot of those are it's sad it's 260 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:09,520 sad that it's come to that type of I 261 00:11:14,680 --> 00:11:13,370 don't know money hungry ego based but 262 00:11:16,270 --> 00:11:14,690 there's a there's a long history it's 263 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:16,280 not like it's come down I mean there's a 264 00:11:20,110 --> 00:11:18,530 serious it is and it's just inside 265 00:11:22,090 --> 00:11:20,120 because I think a lot of those people 266 00:11:24,910 --> 00:11:22,100 really have gifts they really do have 267 00:11:27,910 --> 00:11:24,920 everyone psychic right one ability or 268 00:11:30,670 --> 00:11:27,920 another but what drives them to do the 269 00:11:32,410 --> 00:11:30,680 work yeah unfortunately yes it is a long 270 00:11:34,150 --> 00:11:32,420 history of see that said Ben we're gonna 271 00:11:35,740 --> 00:11:34,160 have to we have to revisit that I gonna 272 00:11:37,300 --> 00:11:35,750 make it up is we're gonna make notes or 273 00:11:38,530 --> 00:11:37,310 anyway we need to just decide what we 274 00:11:40,750 --> 00:11:38,540 need to talk up said because 275 00:11:41,860 --> 00:11:40,760 I don't think we can say sad and just 276 00:11:46,150 --> 00:11:41,870 leave it at that 277 00:11:48,580 --> 00:11:46,160 you know I'm saddened by I got my I'm 278 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:48,590 said I'm saddened by it too but here's 279 00:11:51,430 --> 00:11:49,970 where I want to go with that I'm gonna 280 00:11:53,860 --> 00:11:51,440 pick back up on your background because 281 00:11:55,330 --> 00:11:53,870 I think it's it's interesting and it 282 00:11:59,290 --> 00:11:55,340 comes through like you keep saying this 283 00:12:01,240 --> 00:11:59,300 engineering thing and from talking to 284 00:12:02,650 --> 00:12:01,250 you you know you're anyone who sees will 285 00:12:04,390 --> 00:12:02,660 see your picture of C's district Asian 286 00:12:08,530 --> 00:12:04,400 you grew up in San Cisco 287 00:12:09,970 --> 00:12:08,540 and kind of the from what you described 288 00:12:12,310 --> 00:12:09,980 when I talked to you before kind of a 289 00:12:15,070 --> 00:12:12,320 lot of the typical Asian drug to succeed 290 00:12:17,910 --> 00:12:15,080 you know you know come to you come out 291 00:12:20,890 --> 00:12:17,920 to your parents and say you know I think 292 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:20,900 sidekick it's got a more my job 293 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:23,090 description and so you went down the 294 00:12:26,860 --> 00:12:25,490 path of succeeding doing this stuff to 295 00:12:29,110 --> 00:12:26,870 ended in school becoming an engineer 296 00:12:30,460 --> 00:12:29,120 becoming successful my parents still 297 00:12:32,950 --> 00:12:30,470 don't know exactly what I'm doing here 298 00:12:35,410 --> 00:12:32,960 today I told them I'm doing an interview 299 00:12:37,180 --> 00:12:35,420 and they're like a job interview oh 300 00:12:41,260 --> 00:12:37,190 you're interviewing for 19 career even 301 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:41,270 better Tai Chi I'm like no I'm going on 302 00:12:47,620 --> 00:12:44,930 a radio podcast and they're like oh for 303 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:47,630 what that's like telling them they're 304 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:55,130 like oh okay quite that's great so 305 00:12:58,120 --> 00:12:55,970 that's great 306 00:13:01,030 --> 00:12:58,130 and he just fills all the stereotypes 307 00:13:04,330 --> 00:13:01,040 when we think of with the the tiger mom 308 00:13:07,510 --> 00:13:04,340 and not the lawyer my mom yeah that's 309 00:13:08,620 --> 00:13:07,520 not like the things that I brought on to 310 00:13:12,100 --> 00:13:08,630 their house like I brought some 311 00:13:13,750 --> 00:13:12,110 pendulums and stuff and I was like what 312 00:13:15,310 --> 00:13:13,760 are you doing with this what what what 313 00:13:17,590 --> 00:13:15,320 are you spending so much money on these 314 00:13:20,110 --> 00:13:17,600 things what are you doing it I'm like I 315 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:20,120 mean do they have any connection when 316 00:13:24,370 --> 00:13:21,730 you're growing up to kind of that 317 00:13:27,550 --> 00:13:24,380 spirituality because there's the whole 318 00:13:29,620 --> 00:13:27,560 Chinese Buddhism as well there's 319 00:13:31,990 --> 00:13:29,630 Buddhism and there's the Taoism and 320 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:32,000 there's all that kind of stuff and a lot 321 00:13:35,170 --> 00:13:33,410 of times what I understand and I could 322 00:13:37,330 --> 00:13:35,180 be completely wrong on this cuz I don't 323 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:37,340 I just heard this but a lot of times the 324 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:41,290 Buddhism in China China is a a way of 325 00:13:46,300 --> 00:13:44,810 kind of politically curbing more 326 00:13:48,910 --> 00:13:46,310 politically correct when with they're 327 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:48,920 really practicing are some more Dao 328 00:13:53,889 --> 00:13:51,170 this kind of magical kind of practices 329 00:13:56,530 --> 00:13:53,899 that are deemed as being oh my god 330 00:13:59,500 --> 00:13:56,540 that's so yeah yeah yeah people always 331 00:14:02,160 --> 00:13:59,510 my man crates names Android frameworks 332 00:14:04,750 --> 00:14:02,170 but I was raised food Asst 333 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:04,760 Buddhism believes in reincarnation and 334 00:14:11,199 --> 00:14:06,730 karma and spirits of course spirits of 335 00:14:13,180 --> 00:14:11,209 past loved ones and ancestor so I I am 336 00:14:15,970 --> 00:14:13,190 and they were comfortable with the idea 337 00:14:20,470 --> 00:14:15,980 of karma reincarnation spirits so that 338 00:14:22,569 --> 00:14:20,480 was their um just get a good job yeah 339 00:14:25,210 --> 00:14:22,579 just get a good job and do well get 340 00:14:27,790 --> 00:14:25,220 grades and you'll come back as a good 341 00:14:29,290 --> 00:14:27,800 person versus a beetle so yeah and eat 342 00:14:34,060 --> 00:14:29,300 your ice yeah that was that was me 343 00:14:35,590 --> 00:14:34,070 growing up but like um my sister and my 344 00:14:37,930 --> 00:14:35,600 mom I mean we would talk about spirits 345 00:14:39,030 --> 00:14:37,940 with my grandfather passed in the 346 00:14:44,980 --> 00:14:39,040 Chinese culture 347 00:14:47,139 --> 00:14:44,990 um it's said if your relative and your 348 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:47,149 closest someone passes you're not 349 00:14:53,139 --> 00:14:49,010 supposed to go to someone else's house 350 00:14:55,300 --> 00:14:53,149 for 49 days as part of mourning and then 351 00:14:58,720 --> 00:14:55,310 there's something about and I'm not 352 00:15:01,269 --> 00:14:58,730 really remembering too much of the 353 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:01,279 tradition but it's like the the spirit 354 00:15:08,199 --> 00:15:04,250 stays around the closest family members 355 00:15:10,569 --> 00:15:08,209 I think for about a week and I know my 356 00:15:14,079 --> 00:15:10,579 grandfather who raised me was very close 357 00:15:15,579 --> 00:15:14,089 to me I wasn't there when he passed and 358 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:15,589 I was really distraught about it and my 359 00:15:20,259 --> 00:15:18,890 mom said I don't know if she was trying 360 00:15:20,829 --> 00:15:20,269 to make me feel better but I kind of 361 00:15:24,189 --> 00:15:20,839 believed it 362 00:15:28,420 --> 00:15:24,199 she said when the spirit leaves the body 363 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:28,430 and the body sheds the spirit is lighter 364 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:30,890 and free but the bodies the disease the 365 00:15:37,900 --> 00:15:34,610 pains and illnesses will kind of pass on 366 00:15:40,750 --> 00:15:37,910 to those that are more immediately 367 00:15:43,389 --> 00:15:40,760 surrounding them which kind of makes 368 00:15:45,069 --> 00:15:43,399 sense is this heavy when someone passes 369 00:15:47,230 --> 00:15:45,079 you can feel the energy if you want to 370 00:15:49,780 --> 00:15:47,240 say that it's depressing it's a heavy 371 00:15:51,370 --> 00:15:49,790 sadness in hospitals and whatnot and 372 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:51,380 apparently it's like they leave their 373 00:15:54,070 --> 00:15:52,370 body and they leave 374 00:15:56,019 --> 00:15:54,080 whatever illnesses and some of that 375 00:15:58,690 --> 00:15:56,029 energy gets on the people around you and 376 00:16:01,570 --> 00:15:58,700 especially closest to them and my mom 377 00:16:03,550 --> 00:16:01,580 said when my grandfather passed he you 378 00:16:07,390 --> 00:16:03,560 know he raised me so I was one of the 379 00:16:10,390 --> 00:16:07,400 closest ones to him and she said he made 380 00:16:13,990 --> 00:16:10,400 sure you weren't around to cop it and 381 00:16:17,410 --> 00:16:14,000 and you know my parents who were around 382 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:17,420 got sick a few days after just cold and 383 00:16:22,390 --> 00:16:19,610 sore backs or you know pains and stuff 384 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:22,400 like that but um she said that you know 385 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:24,410 his spirits still around and he'll visit 386 00:16:28,510 --> 00:16:26,570 us and I firmly believe it so they 387 00:16:32,350 --> 00:16:28,520 believe that stuff just I think 388 00:16:35,380 --> 00:16:32,360 culturally but when I start saying oh 389 00:16:37,210 --> 00:16:35,390 yeah hey I'm going to talk to it you 390 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:37,220 know someone so it's grandpa and I'm 391 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:39,170 going to talk to spirit and blah blah 392 00:16:46,540 --> 00:16:43,930 blah my mom kind of goes like uh huh 393 00:16:49,420 --> 00:16:46,550 what what are you doing you know but 394 00:16:51,700 --> 00:16:49,430 that's so interesting because I think in 395 00:16:53,470 --> 00:16:51,710 kind of an exaggerated way because of 396 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:53,480 the cultural differences and because of 397 00:16:59,949 --> 00:16:55,730 the drive to succeed that you know 398 00:17:03,250 --> 00:16:59,959 especially immigrant related people feel 399 00:17:05,740 --> 00:17:03,260 there's that kind of bifurcation you 400 00:17:09,130 --> 00:17:05,750 know this kind of thing that I think is 401 00:17:11,290 --> 00:17:09,140 a perfect exaggeration of what's going 402 00:17:12,850 --> 00:17:11,300 on for all of us in this culture to live 403 00:17:14,679 --> 00:17:12,860 in the Western culture to live in the 404 00:17:16,030 --> 00:17:14,689 materialistic world to live where we're 405 00:17:18,460 --> 00:17:16,040 plugging in our iPhone and it does 406 00:17:22,030 --> 00:17:18,470 miracles we have to kind of create that 407 00:17:23,740 --> 00:17:22,040 wall in our head that says oh no none of 408 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:23,750 that stuff happens and then every once 409 00:17:27,730 --> 00:17:24,890 in a while we bounce up in the make oh 410 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:27,740 yeah that is my reality I know that's 411 00:17:32,590 --> 00:17:30,530 true so that's just funny that you came 412 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:32,600 from that background where that was 413 00:17:37,540 --> 00:17:34,970 embraced to that extent you know because 414 00:17:39,570 --> 00:17:37,550 most people I think in the West they 415 00:17:42,250 --> 00:17:39,580 don't even get that they get that like 416 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:42,260 my friend Gordon white who does the 417 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:44,690 podcast principal he's talked about this 418 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:45,650 I think it does a great job of 419 00:17:50,740 --> 00:17:48,290 explaining if you go back just a couple 420 00:17:53,410 --> 00:17:50,750 generations most of us that stuff's 421 00:17:56,140 --> 00:17:53,420 there whether it's the evil eye or 422 00:17:58,090 --> 00:17:56,150 whether it's you know don't do that or 423 00:18:00,310 --> 00:17:58,100 you know that person there was 424 00:18:02,549 --> 00:18:00,320 real connection with that that now gets 425 00:18:05,409 --> 00:18:02,559 papered over because now there's a real 426 00:18:07,299 --> 00:18:05,419 taboo and a lot of circles about saying 427 00:18:09,010 --> 00:18:07,309 that and then on the other side of it 428 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:09,020 there's an acceptance of it but it's 429 00:18:13,750 --> 00:18:10,850 like we haven't really balanced it out 430 00:18:15,669 --> 00:18:13,760 to where we can we haven't balanced our 431 00:18:18,909 --> 00:18:15,679 society we haven't balanced out as 432 00:18:20,770 --> 00:18:18,919 individuals I mean children born are 433 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:20,780 quite intuitive you know whether they 434 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:24,410 express it as imaginary friends or they 435 00:18:30,460 --> 00:18:27,410 just know things and you've heard the 436 00:18:32,590 --> 00:18:30,470 studies um where they've talked about 437 00:18:34,690 --> 00:18:32,600 kids you know remembering parts of their 438 00:18:37,149 --> 00:18:34,700 past lives and saying things or saying 439 00:18:39,070 --> 00:18:37,159 seeing a ghost and so because they're 440 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:39,080 there they're innocent in their minds 441 00:18:45,460 --> 00:18:42,650 open it's when they go into that Society 442 00:18:47,590 --> 00:18:45,470 of society's norms and restrictions and 443 00:18:49,570 --> 00:18:47,600 boundaries are like no you're weird you 444 00:18:50,590 --> 00:18:49,580 can't do that don't don't say that allow 445 00:18:53,409 --> 00:18:50,600 people are going to think you're crazy 446 00:18:56,380 --> 00:18:53,419 you know that that's possible but the 447 00:18:57,850 --> 00:18:56,390 evidence I think also suggests that and 448 00:18:59,080 --> 00:18:57,860 this is the part where it's really kind 449 00:19:02,169 --> 00:18:59,090 of weird ties back into the 450 00:19:03,490 --> 00:19:02,179 materialistic biological sense there 451 00:19:06,250 --> 00:19:03,500 does seem to be just kind of a 452 00:19:08,430 --> 00:19:06,260 developmental thing because there's so 453 00:19:11,110 --> 00:19:08,440 right so you're referring to 454 00:19:13,020 --> 00:19:11,120 reincarnation research probably the best 455 00:19:15,730 --> 00:19:13,030 has been done at University of Virginia 456 00:19:18,010 --> 00:19:15,740 Jim Tucker and before that Ian Stevenson 457 00:19:19,810 --> 00:19:18,020 so people in the show I've heard all 458 00:19:21,399 --> 00:19:19,820 that a million times I'll just make that 459 00:19:23,710 --> 00:19:21,409 reference just so anyone who's listening 460 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:23,720 knew knows that there's a body of 461 00:19:28,750 --> 00:19:26,330 research out there scientific research 462 00:19:31,870 --> 00:19:28,760 that is highly suggestive that there's a 463 00:19:34,149 --> 00:19:31,880 reality to this many different ways but 464 00:19:37,419 --> 00:19:34,159 the other part of that is that this 465 00:19:39,250 --> 00:19:37,429 window seems to open in close for kids 466 00:19:41,919 --> 00:19:39,260 like you said between the ages of two 467 00:19:44,500 --> 00:19:41,929 and like five or six but I think they go 468 00:19:46,990 --> 00:19:44,510 across culture and I find that that 469 00:19:50,020 --> 00:19:47,000 window is still there so it's not it 470 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:50,030 doesn't seem to be as tied to like a 471 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:52,490 cultural kind of thing where you know 472 00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:54,770 the kid is coming in saying you know all 473 00:19:59,500 --> 00:19:57,200 my imaginary friends oh no no no that 474 00:20:03,820 --> 00:19:59,510 doesn't happen it seems to be almost 475 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:03,830 like a biological thing as you develop 476 00:20:08,380 --> 00:20:05,930 it kind of closes down 477 00:20:12,370 --> 00:20:08,390 you know it does from what I understand 478 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:12,380 it is um your chakras developed at 479 00:20:19,930 --> 00:20:14,330 different age going in and formulating 480 00:20:21,850 --> 00:20:19,940 it and yeah as you develop it pretty 481 00:20:25,210 --> 00:20:21,860 much what I was alluding to you start 482 00:20:27,550 --> 00:20:25,220 entering society in that age and you 483 00:20:28,660 --> 00:20:27,560 start right now I'm just saying I mean I 484 00:20:30,190 --> 00:20:28,670 think sometimes you've got to draw the 485 00:20:31,870 --> 00:20:30,200 it we're going to be careful like 486 00:20:34,870 --> 00:20:31,880 there's the nature versus nurture 487 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:34,880 yeah all right so is it is it nature is 488 00:20:40,330 --> 00:20:37,370 it biological is it nurture is it 489 00:20:43,870 --> 00:20:40,340 society is it both as I love I think 490 00:20:45,190 --> 00:20:43,880 it's so it's both then that shunts 491 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:45,200 droves us in a whole different direction 492 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:46,730 too because I'm going to be careful 493 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:49,370 about saying oh you know Western society 494 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:51,530 is so bad because it takes people who 495 00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:53,090 used to be psychic and then they're not 496 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:55,520 psychic anymore you know I mean maybe 497 00:20:59,290 --> 00:20:57,290 there's some maybe there's some evidence 498 00:21:01,960 --> 00:20:59,300 for that and people who spend a lot of 499 00:21:04,540 --> 00:21:01,970 time alone seem to be having 500 00:21:07,150 --> 00:21:04,550 you know more kind of experiences but we 501 00:21:09,220 --> 00:21:07,160 haven't unraveled the nature versus 502 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:09,230 nurture part of that I think completely 503 00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:13,850 well I know I know some um of my medium 504 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:16,370 friends who have kids they still kind of 505 00:21:21,070 --> 00:21:18,770 encourage it in their kids could they do 506 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:21,080 it for work so they're not going to not 507 00:21:24,190 --> 00:21:22,970 tell their kids about it so meeting 508 00:21:27,250 --> 00:21:24,200 their kids their kids are quite 509 00:21:29,650 --> 00:21:27,260 intuitive and ok with it like they grow 510 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:29,660 up with that they do have a state of 511 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:33,290 rebellion though I find um because they 512 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:35,810 do feel different even like one one of 513 00:21:40,810 --> 00:21:38,090 my friends has a teenage girl and she 514 00:21:42,730 --> 00:21:40,820 grew up you know talking about spirits 515 00:21:44,530 --> 00:21:42,740 and angels of her mom and everything and 516 00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:44,540 then when she went to high school I 517 00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:47,600 think she just felt different because no 518 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:49,280 one quite believed like that so she just 519 00:21:54,030 --> 00:21:51,770 almost rejected it a bit and then when 520 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:54,040 she quote that's why we have Hogwarts 521 00:21:58,060 --> 00:21:56,570 but also when you don't kind of get what 522 00:21:59,620 --> 00:21:58,070 you want you know spirits supposed to 523 00:22:01,240 --> 00:21:59,630 help you you pray to your angels or 524 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:01,250 whatever you want to call it and if you 525 00:22:05,020 --> 00:22:02,810 don't get what you want yeah you get a 526 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:05,030 little pissed off and you can be like 527 00:22:08,770 --> 00:22:07,130 you know God has forsaken me or spirits 528 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:08,780 forsaken me or you've lied to meet 529 00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:11,450 whatever so there's there's rebellion in 530 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:13,840 that I find at least from 531 00:22:18,810 --> 00:22:16,210 of these kids that you know grew up with 532 00:22:21,090 --> 00:22:18,820 grew up with this in the Western culture 533 00:22:23,730 --> 00:22:21,100 yeah that's interesting too because it 534 00:22:25,850 --> 00:22:23,740 also gets into the whole heredity thing 535 00:22:30,029 --> 00:22:25,860 you know is there some kind of either 536 00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:30,039 genetic or epigenetic or morphic field 537 00:22:34,500 --> 00:22:33,130 is there some kind of energy that's 538 00:22:35,370 --> 00:22:34,510 being passed out but you know what I 539 00:22:36,930 --> 00:22:35,380 want to leave that because we could talk 540 00:22:38,730 --> 00:22:36,940 about that but I want to get back to 541 00:22:44,340 --> 00:22:38,740 your story we can you know do a couple 542 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:44,350 of says oh it's awesome you swing back 543 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:46,570 you got a good color for me I am I'm 544 00:22:50,639 --> 00:22:48,850 coming back every April I'll be like hey 545 00:22:54,750 --> 00:22:50,649 I'll probably back in September of like 546 00:22:57,450 --> 00:22:54,760 hey well we'll do it we live to do it so 547 00:23:01,889 --> 00:22:57,460 but let's get back to your story then 548 00:23:04,740 --> 00:23:01,899 because it's easy a lot of times for all 549 00:23:08,010 --> 00:23:04,750 of us in our story to create this 550 00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:08,020 beautiful patchwork quilt you know that 551 00:23:13,799 --> 00:23:11,440 looks like it was designed to be this 552 00:23:16,409 --> 00:23:13,809 way and I do that we all do that I tell 553 00:23:19,049 --> 00:23:16,419 our story but it isn't easy right I 554 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:19,059 can't imagine it was easy for you to 555 00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:22,809 transition from you know and then you 556 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:24,880 moved to Australia and that was part of 557 00:23:28,529 --> 00:23:27,010 this kind of getting away I mean into 558 00:23:30,659 --> 00:23:28,539 break up me tell us how that's the 559 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:30,669 interesting story I mean cuz he not a 560 00:23:38,370 --> 00:23:35,890 lot people have followed your path um it 561 00:23:43,230 --> 00:23:38,380 is it is still hard story to adjust to 562 00:23:45,330 --> 00:23:43,240 like I being here with you going to 563 00:23:48,539 --> 00:23:45,340 these do to these workshops now that I'm 564 00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:48,549 doing in New York and putting myself out 565 00:23:55,409 --> 00:23:51,760 there to my friends on Facebook that's 566 00:23:58,320 --> 00:23:55,419 been hard for me because still yeah 567 00:24:01,320 --> 00:23:58,330 because everyone I grew up with everyone 568 00:24:05,279 --> 00:24:01,330 in college everyone I work with has no 569 00:24:08,250 --> 00:24:05,289 idea about this part of my life and I 570 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:08,260 don't think a lot of them are open to I 571 00:24:11,460 --> 00:24:09,370 or if they are they've never really 572 00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:11,470 expressed it to me so let me just 573 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:12,880 interject so we don't totally lose 574 00:24:16,860 --> 00:24:15,130 people when you say this part of your 575 00:24:18,210 --> 00:24:16,870 life and if I leave the first part the 576 00:24:23,310 --> 00:24:18,220 interview and they'll get a sense that 577 00:24:26,410 --> 00:24:23,320 but you are this intuitive healer energy 578 00:24:29,890 --> 00:24:26,420 healer coach psychic medium kind of 579 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:29,900 in Australia in Sydney Australia and 20 580 00:24:35,820 --> 00:24:32,570 times a week at least people call you up 581 00:24:37,810 --> 00:24:35,830 and say help me in one way or another 582 00:24:39,220 --> 00:24:37,820 which is important here are people 583 00:24:41,260 --> 00:24:39,230 helper I mean that's got to be what 584 00:24:44,020 --> 00:24:41,270 drives you but they pay you money and 585 00:24:45,940 --> 00:24:44,030 you give them advice or guidance or 586 00:24:49,060 --> 00:24:45,950 healing or something like that so that's 587 00:24:50,350 --> 00:24:49,070 what you do you know and then I think 588 00:24:52,900 --> 00:24:50,360 that's interesting to juxtapose that 589 00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:52,910 with your friends who don't really know 590 00:24:58,810 --> 00:24:56,720 what you do and you've been reluctant 591 00:25:01,030 --> 00:24:58,820 for all the reasons that people I think 592 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:01,040 can relate to to come out to that 593 00:25:04,690 --> 00:25:03,410 because it's hard it's hard isn't it 594 00:25:06,970 --> 00:25:04,700 because I'm sitting across from you and 595 00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:06,980 you you present you know as my wife 596 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:08,720 would say kind of psychologically you 597 00:25:15,460 --> 00:25:12,170 present as you know totally normal you 598 00:25:16,750 --> 00:25:15,470 know I'd like to try horrible you know 599 00:25:19,330 --> 00:25:16,760 have you told that you were going to an 600 00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:19,340 IT job after this you know I'd be like 601 00:25:23,890 --> 00:25:21,440 yeah I buy that you know yeah I mean I 602 00:25:27,220 --> 00:25:23,900 can very well get up into a PowerPoint 603 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:27,230 presentation on I don't know a 604 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:28,730 manufacturing process and it's 605 00:25:33,070 --> 00:25:30,050 interesting because my friends that know 606 00:25:35,770 --> 00:25:33,080 me as Mia man healer in Sydney have no 607 00:25:37,210 --> 00:25:35,780 idea my IT background and sometimes I'll 608 00:25:40,090 --> 00:25:37,220 kind of geek out over this math problem 609 00:25:42,250 --> 00:25:40,100 and they'll be like what what what are 610 00:25:44,260 --> 00:25:42,260 you intimated my fault correctly 611 00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:44,270 um I've gotten a couple different 612 00:25:51,730 --> 00:25:49,130 reactions in saying I'm medium for from 613 00:25:54,670 --> 00:25:51,740 strangers and friends I actually had one 614 00:25:56,410 --> 00:25:54,680 friend who knew me as an engineer and 615 00:25:59,650 --> 00:25:56,420 when I told her I was a medium she 616 00:26:02,020 --> 00:25:59,660 started crying and I was like what why 617 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:02,030 and she said you've lost your way cuz I 618 00:26:09,370 --> 00:26:05,210 know actually she said oh my god you're 619 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:09,380 gonna know everything about me and she 620 00:26:14,020 --> 00:26:10,970 didn't want me to know something she was 621 00:26:16,180 --> 00:26:14,030 embarrassed and I was like whoa you know 622 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:16,190 and she was almost scared like you're 623 00:26:20,430 --> 00:26:18,170 you're gonna read me and know me and 624 00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:20,440 you're you know my secrets I'm like ah 625 00:26:27,310 --> 00:26:24,080 no I wouldn't do that and that's the 626 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:27,320 real invasion of privacy and ya know and 627 00:26:30,700 --> 00:26:29,210 she got really scared of it like oh my 628 00:26:31,850 --> 00:26:30,710 god we can't be friends and you know all 629 00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:31,860 the stuff about me I was like 630 00:26:37,970 --> 00:26:34,710 I don't so that's one reaction another 631 00:26:41,570 --> 00:26:37,980 reaction um I get is a lot of skeptical 632 00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:41,580 people like really what what what it's 633 00:26:46,220 --> 00:26:43,710 that you know or I get really 634 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:46,230 enthusiastic people are like oh oh Read 635 00:26:49,789 --> 00:26:48,330 Me three me it's my grandma ah wait 636 00:26:50,450 --> 00:26:49,799 what's going on here and I'm like whoa 637 00:26:52,010 --> 00:26:50,460 whoa 638 00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:52,020 all those reactions I'm like let's just 639 00:27:00,680 --> 00:26:56,130 all take starless and you know people 640 00:27:02,930 --> 00:27:00,690 are curious and I I want to encourage 641 00:27:05,150 --> 00:27:02,940 them to be open-minded to this because I 642 00:27:08,750 --> 00:27:05,160 do feel everyone has intuition or 643 00:27:10,730 --> 00:27:08,760 psychic ability or you know a spiritual 644 00:27:13,340 --> 00:27:10,740 part of themselves that they might not 645 00:27:15,100 --> 00:27:13,350 be aware of or not know how to develop 646 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:15,110 and part of what I'm doing now and 647 00:27:20,570 --> 00:27:17,250 that's the business card you have there 648 00:27:22,220 --> 00:27:20,580 is evolutionary you i I do healing work 649 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:22,230 through healing joy but evolutionary you 650 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:23,610 is the program I'm developing that's 651 00:27:29,900 --> 00:27:27,450 teaching people online you know where 652 00:27:38,659 --> 00:27:29,910 I'm connecting them personally to 653 00:27:39,980 --> 00:27:38,669 develop spiritually oh hello Hey oh I'm 654 00:27:43,789 --> 00:27:39,990 sorry can you pick up right there yeah 655 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:43,799 no I'm I'm doing online courses with 656 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:45,330 small groups people have six eight 657 00:27:49,730 --> 00:27:47,970 people in developing them personally and 658 00:27:53,270 --> 00:27:49,740 spiritually to help them connect with 659 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:53,280 their intuition because everyone has an 660 00:27:57,820 --> 00:27:55,650 intuitive ability of disappointment 661 00:28:01,400 --> 00:27:57,830 knowing how to use it control it and 662 00:28:02,510 --> 00:28:01,410 manifest it in understanding how to work 663 00:28:04,340 --> 00:28:02,520 with their own guides or their own 664 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:04,350 ability however you want to call it is 665 00:28:07,940 --> 00:28:06,330 what I try to teach I like that more 666 00:28:11,180 --> 00:28:07,950 than healings and readings to be honest 667 00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:11,190 and some of the students I have are more 668 00:28:15,140 --> 00:28:13,110 talented than some of the professional 669 00:28:18,500 --> 00:28:15,150 mediums and psychics I see out there 670 00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:18,510 they just needed a foundation and I 671 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:20,910 don't impose my foundation on them but I 672 00:28:24,190 --> 00:28:22,770 encourage them to explore their own so 673 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:24,200 that's what I'm doing in New York 674 00:28:28,340 --> 00:28:26,490 through these workshops and that's what 675 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:28,350 I hope to be doing actually I've had 676 00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,770 some 677 00:28:32,780 --> 00:28:30,480 to come to California and San Diego to 678 00:28:34,940 --> 00:28:32,790 do it and to you know we already do in 679 00:28:37,130 --> 00:28:34,950 city your tell me yeah I do it in Sydney 680 00:28:38,980 --> 00:28:37,140 I've been doing them face to face in 681 00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:38,990 Sydney but I've been doing them 682 00:28:45,799 --> 00:28:41,760 virtually now with a trial in New York 683 00:28:49,070 --> 00:28:45,809 and so doing that online teaching people 684 00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:49,080 online in small groups I wanted to make 685 00:28:53,930 --> 00:28:51,360 sure that the exercises and working with 686 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:53,940 the energies could translate virtually 687 00:28:58,100 --> 00:28:55,770 versus in person because feeling the 688 00:28:59,900 --> 00:28:58,110 energies and feeling the energies kind 689 00:29:01,610 --> 00:28:59,910 of virtually you know how do you how do 690 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:01,620 you tune in to someone but energy is 691 00:29:07,490 --> 00:29:04,530 energy and just training and teaching 692 00:29:09,049 --> 00:29:07,500 people that method people come to you 693 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:09,059 for different reasons some people are 694 00:29:12,140 --> 00:29:10,770 coming for spiritual development some 695 00:29:15,020 --> 00:29:12,150 people are coming you to get ahead in 696 00:29:18,110 --> 00:29:15,030 their career which is it directly tied 697 00:29:20,919 --> 00:29:18,120 to spiritual development right so we 698 00:29:24,049 --> 00:29:20,929 kind of have two different it seems like 699 00:29:25,910 --> 00:29:24,059 paths that we're all going down all the 700 00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:25,920 time long as we're just trying to make 701 00:29:28,490 --> 00:29:27,120 it through this life and make good 702 00:29:30,890 --> 00:29:28,500 decisions that seem to make our life 703 00:29:33,049 --> 00:29:30,900 more comfortable more better and you are 704 00:29:34,250 --> 00:29:33,059 not averse to helping people do that 705 00:29:36,890 --> 00:29:34,260 right if somebody comes to you and says 706 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:36,900 hey I'm trying to get ahead in my job 707 00:29:40,970 --> 00:29:38,970 I'm trying to get ahead in my career but 708 00:29:42,669 --> 00:29:40,980 if somebody else comes to set says you 709 00:29:44,780 --> 00:29:42,679 know what is most important to me is 710 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:44,790 spiritual development and I don't really 711 00:29:49,790 --> 00:29:46,650 care about one of the other I mean there 712 00:29:51,290 --> 00:29:49,800 are two different aspects to this yes a 713 00:29:52,970 --> 00:29:51,300 note there one in the same 714 00:29:55,730 --> 00:29:52,980 because getting ahead in their career 715 00:29:57,020 --> 00:29:55,740 could help them learn and experience 716 00:29:59,000 --> 00:29:57,030 what they need to learn to grow 717 00:30:00,410 --> 00:29:59,010 spiritually yeah or it could totally 718 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:00,420 screw up their spiritual development 719 00:30:06,169 --> 00:30:02,970 because it gets them upset so I mean you 720 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:06,179 can say that all the time is about but 721 00:30:11,780 --> 00:30:08,610 it's where they need to be it whatever 722 00:30:13,780 --> 00:30:11,790 it is they need to experience in getting 723 00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:13,790 what they want we are living in a human 724 00:30:19,460 --> 00:30:16,320 experience we are trying to quote 725 00:30:22,190 --> 00:30:19,470 survive get ahead and trying to live in 726 00:30:25,580 --> 00:30:22,200 this reality and sometimes escape to 727 00:30:29,330 --> 00:30:25,590 another realm or our true self or so 728 00:30:31,460 --> 00:30:29,340 self and having that balance but it's 729 00:30:33,620 --> 00:30:31,470 the experience of soul wants to have and 730 00:30:35,570 --> 00:30:33,630 if the soul or the ego says you know I'm 731 00:30:36,669 --> 00:30:35,580 going ahead I want to be rich bah bah 732 00:30:39,639 --> 00:30:36,679 blah how can 733 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:39,649 my career it's it's it's one of the 734 00:30:46,269 --> 00:30:43,210 human survival but during that course of 735 00:30:50,159 --> 00:30:46,279 that journey to whatever make money to 736 00:30:52,869 --> 00:30:50,169 find love the lessons the soul learns 737 00:30:56,049 --> 00:30:52,879 will be what it needs to develop 738 00:30:59,049 --> 00:30:56,059 spiritually spiritual development is one 739 00:31:02,129 --> 00:30:59,059 of the spirit one that evolves that 740 00:31:05,379 --> 00:31:02,139 takes experiences learn in this life and 741 00:31:09,489 --> 00:31:05,389 transcends it or remembers it and adds 742 00:31:11,379 --> 00:31:09,499 it to the actual spirit the actual 743 00:31:13,570 --> 00:31:11,389 essence of who you are that will be 744 00:31:16,810 --> 00:31:13,580 carried through different lifetimes so 745 00:31:18,580 --> 00:31:16,820 in helping one you know what could be I 746 00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:18,590 don't know I always go with people go 747 00:31:23,649 --> 00:31:21,529 down that path so I go okay well what 748 00:31:25,629 --> 00:31:23,659 about evil what about people who do 749 00:31:28,029 --> 00:31:25,639 really bad things you know the first 750 00:31:30,249 --> 00:31:28,039 before we go into that tell me that 751 00:31:32,169 --> 00:31:30,259 story that you tell me I love that story 752 00:31:34,590 --> 00:31:32,179 I've used this story several times I'll 753 00:31:40,119 --> 00:31:34,600 have to remind you your story OH 754 00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:40,129 that story that story I told you without 755 00:31:43,690 --> 00:31:42,289 you recording it last time didn't I 756 00:31:46,090 --> 00:31:43,700 think that long now it's gonna be live 757 00:31:48,009 --> 00:31:46,100 you get it you can do you can do it with 758 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:48,019 your claw you can even soften it up a 759 00:31:51,940 --> 00:31:49,970 little bit that's the story 760 00:31:54,759 --> 00:31:51,950 okay I'm because all this flowery 761 00:31:57,399 --> 00:31:54,769 about how oh well you know our 762 00:32:00,060 --> 00:31:57,409 spirit is growing and all that no it's 763 00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:00,070 not always growing it's sometimes 764 00:32:06,190 --> 00:32:02,480 retrograding a little bit we're human 765 00:32:08,109 --> 00:32:06,200 and we're human when we're by that I 766 00:32:10,930 --> 00:32:08,119 don't buy that we're human we we have 767 00:32:12,989 --> 00:32:10,940 free will no I had choices I have bad 768 00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:12,999 choices or something to be avoided 769 00:32:18,340 --> 00:32:15,769 they're not something to well tell the 770 00:32:20,590 --> 00:32:18,350 story toaster oh okay well bad choice 771 00:32:22,930 --> 00:32:20,600 okay I see I would call them experiences 772 00:32:24,700 --> 00:32:22,940 but I think Jill was doing all right 773 00:32:29,409 --> 00:32:24,710 you're telling okay I really go back 774 00:32:33,820 --> 00:32:29,419 sizzling all right um I went through a 775 00:32:36,940 --> 00:32:33,830 really horrible breakup where the person 776 00:32:38,619 --> 00:32:36,950 I was dating cheated on me and I caught 777 00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:38,629 them cheating on me and it was very 778 00:32:40,749 --> 00:32:40,129 traumatic for me and I was very very 779 00:32:46,100 --> 00:32:40,759 angry 780 00:32:48,830 --> 00:32:46,110 and I went to kind of a dark place of 781 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:48,840 oppression and just a lot of hate and 782 00:32:58,370 --> 00:32:54,090 anger in my life and somebody that works 783 00:33:03,860 --> 00:32:58,380 with as much energy and spirit that I do 784 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:03,870 and channels that energy I think that 785 00:33:09,380 --> 00:33:05,490 can get a little bit dangerous at times 786 00:33:12,770 --> 00:33:09,390 and um it was a dark place in my life 787 00:33:16,730 --> 00:33:12,780 and I was hating him I was absolutely 788 00:33:18,890 --> 00:33:16,740 hating him and he anyway where he worked 789 00:33:21,530 --> 00:33:18,900 was haunted basically or had spirits 790 00:33:24,340 --> 00:33:21,540 rock he knew it everyone in town kind of 791 00:33:29,180 --> 00:33:24,350 knew it in that particular building and 792 00:33:31,730 --> 00:33:29,190 one night I was just so angry and I know 793 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:31,740 I can talk to spirits because I do that 794 00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:36,450 my job as a medium and I decided um in 795 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:39,510 my anger to talk to the spirits at his 796 00:33:46,159 --> 00:33:42,570 work and I'm a little sheepish in saying 797 00:33:50,690 --> 00:33:46,169 this out and basically in a not nice way 798 00:33:55,820 --> 00:33:50,700 I I told them to basically attack him I 799 00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:55,830 was so angry I was yeah I basically was 800 00:34:04,460 --> 00:33:58,290 like you know hurt him attack him 801 00:34:07,690 --> 00:34:04,470 whatever I just don't care and I could 802 00:34:10,580 --> 00:34:07,700 feel the energy in my body it was 803 00:34:13,490 --> 00:34:10,590 different than the energy that normally 804 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:13,500 comes through me when I do this type of 805 00:34:20,090 --> 00:34:17,010 work it was it was stronger and it was 806 00:34:21,889 --> 00:34:20,100 but it was darker and I of course I did 807 00:34:23,690 --> 00:34:21,899 this at night and probably under a full 808 00:34:26,030 --> 00:34:23,700 moon or something but it was just it was 809 00:34:29,540 --> 00:34:26,040 scary and I I was by myself and I was 810 00:34:32,770 --> 00:34:29,550 just at that point I didn't care and I 811 00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:32,780 could feel it I could see it I could 812 00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:35,700 connect with that the energy there the 813 00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:37,679 spirits there and I was like here's his 814 00:34:42,030 --> 00:34:40,800 name hey you know here's his address and 815 00:34:46,889 --> 00:34:42,040 go get him type of 816 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:46,899 um and then I felt something come up 817 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:49,090 behind me and it was just ever so 818 00:34:55,070 --> 00:34:49,690 slightly 819 00:34:59,580 --> 00:34:55,080 and and it was basically saying like yes 820 00:35:02,970 --> 00:34:59,590 yes we can do that but then it said but 821 00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:02,980 what will you do for us and I kind of 822 00:35:07,830 --> 00:35:04,720 froze there because it was it was cold 823 00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:07,840 it was very cold and it was it was like 824 00:35:16,110 --> 00:35:10,480 whispering my ear and it was it was like 825 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:16,120 it was negotiating and I I had I just I 826 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:18,370 had to stop I literally was like I 827 00:35:22,350 --> 00:35:19,930 dropped everything I was like just 828 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:22,360 kidding okay let's just take that back 829 00:35:27,770 --> 00:35:24,970 now let's just let's just keep him safe 830 00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:27,780 let's keep everyone safe because I knew 831 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:29,250 it 832 00:35:40,860 --> 00:35:38,290 this actually I've seen clients like 833 00:35:42,990 --> 00:35:40,870 this where my guides won't even work 834 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:43,000 with them because they're too far gone I 835 00:35:46,260 --> 00:35:44,770 mean we have control of our bodies 836 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:46,270 you're not really possessed 837 00:35:51,450 --> 00:35:48,850 I mean you are you're not in a sense 838 00:35:54,290 --> 00:35:51,460 that you have attachments in this kind 839 00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:54,300 of sentient when we channel trance 840 00:36:00,360 --> 00:35:58,000 spirits just get close enough to our 841 00:36:03,410 --> 00:36:00,370 energy and our aura to for us to feel 842 00:36:05,550 --> 00:36:03,420 them and talk to us but this type of 843 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:05,560 channel lengths of this paper attachment 844 00:36:09,210 --> 00:36:06,610 is something different because you have 845 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:09,220 control of your body so you can tell a 846 00:36:14,610 --> 00:36:12,130 spirit and boundaries to you know leave 847 00:36:15,930 --> 00:36:14,620 or come or whatever you really do you 848 00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:15,940 shouldn't be afraid you do have control 849 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:18,730 of your body but if you give up control 850 00:36:23,370 --> 00:36:20,770 of your body that's a different story 851 00:36:25,950 --> 00:36:23,380 see this one things shall be calculate 852 00:36:28,650 --> 00:36:25,960 gets really dangerous yeah because shut 853 00:36:30,930 --> 00:36:28,660 up and calculate tells us if it works 854 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:30,940 doing yeah if I'm getting the result 855 00:36:37,650 --> 00:36:34,210 that I think I want or I need but the 856 00:36:41,460 --> 00:36:37,660 flip side of that is you know you just I 857 00:36:43,530 --> 00:36:41,470 mean that is just we arm shell to to to 858 00:36:45,390 --> 00:36:43,540 but we have to factor that in I just I 859 00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:45,400 love to get that out there because we 860 00:36:49,550 --> 00:36:47,440 always have to factor that in and we now 861 00:36:53,460 --> 00:36:49,560 have to offer some kind of explanation 862 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:53,470 some kind of topology for what the 863 00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:54,690 extend of rail 864 00:36:58,579 --> 00:36:56,730 looks like that incorporates that into 865 00:37:00,760 --> 00:36:58,589 it and that's when I hate when we just 866 00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:00,770 gloss over it and say well we're all 867 00:37:05,420 --> 00:37:03,359 evolving and eventually we'll get to the 868 00:37:08,990 --> 00:37:05,430 same place you know what I'd like to 869 00:37:11,630 --> 00:37:09,000 avoid going down that dark demonic alley 870 00:37:13,579 --> 00:37:11,640 for a few lifetimes I think I should 871 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:13,589 avoid doing that I think I will be 872 00:37:18,859 --> 00:37:16,170 happier if I do that is that a choice 873 00:37:21,170 --> 00:37:18,869 that I can constructively make or is it 874 00:37:23,630 --> 00:37:21,180 hey whatever your path is you know 875 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:23,640 that's it I don't know it is free well I 876 00:37:28,910 --> 00:37:25,890 do agree there are energies out there 877 00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:28,920 but we don't know we're talking about it 878 00:37:34,190 --> 00:37:31,250 like it's just it's all an experience 879 00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:34,200 exudative yeah but I want to avoid an XP 880 00:37:37,099 --> 00:37:35,280 but it's free to us to have that 881 00:37:40,099 --> 00:37:37,109 experience or not but doesn't it seem 882 00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:40,109 like some people are not exercising 883 00:37:44,329 --> 00:37:42,480 their free choice or their free will and 884 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:44,339 are getting into situations that they 885 00:37:48,109 --> 00:37:46,170 don't necessarily want to get into 886 00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:48,119 because they have some from a very 887 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:50,609 practical sense they've developed a set 888 00:37:55,700 --> 00:37:52,650 of beliefs that have led them to a 889 00:37:58,460 --> 00:37:55,710 particular it is it is so what I teach 890 00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:58,470 and what might be different to some 891 00:38:04,099 --> 00:37:59,760 other spiritual development courses 892 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:04,109 there is I do talk about this stuff I do 893 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:06,690 talk about boundaries and grounding a 894 00:38:11,329 --> 00:38:09,810 protection and clearing and you know the 895 00:38:13,309 --> 00:38:11,339 dangers of it it's not all rainbows 896 00:38:15,170 --> 00:38:13,319 butterflies and fluffiness for me at 897 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:15,180 least in my experience it hasn't been um 898 00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:17,970 and people get overwhelmed and scared 899 00:38:22,339 --> 00:38:19,920 and a lot of people don't know what 900 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:22,349 they're doing and they open up and they 901 00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:26,250 go on you know retreats or journeys or 902 00:38:31,250 --> 00:38:29,760 whatever and they open up what they're 903 00:38:33,290 --> 00:38:31,260 opening up to can get them into a lot of 904 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:33,300 trouble and I've seen that I've been 905 00:38:41,569 --> 00:38:36,690 called for house clearings essentially 906 00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:41,579 removal entities um you know things that 907 00:38:46,670 --> 00:38:44,160 aren't nice things that so what does 908 00:38:48,319 --> 00:38:46,680 that tell you about what is going on let 909 00:38:50,839 --> 00:38:48,329 me switch to the big picture question 910 00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:50,849 what is going on the best you can 911 00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:54,300 describe it what suffice what is the 912 00:39:01,099 --> 00:38:58,079 nature structure hierarchy what's the 913 00:39:02,540 --> 00:39:01,109 topology of that extended consciousness 914 00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:02,550 realm I mean this is the big question 915 00:39:07,650 --> 00:39:04,720 like you you said you know 916 00:39:10,260 --> 00:39:07,660 you kind of chuckle like UFO alien 917 00:39:12,569 --> 00:39:10,270 communication hey go down that path 918 00:39:15,420 --> 00:39:12,579 there seems to be a reality to that go 919 00:39:17,940 --> 00:39:15,430 down psychic go down psychedelics there 920 00:39:19,950 --> 00:39:17,950 seems to be a reality that were people 921 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:19,960 are reaching this realm then go down the 922 00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:22,450 super spiritual path or the non-dual 923 00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:24,609 path and they're going to say avoid all 924 00:39:30,839 --> 00:39:28,000 that go past that hole go go all the way 925 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:30,849 around the block ignore all of it and 926 00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:33,010 just go to there's a consciousness 927 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:35,200 beyond that that doesn't deal with any 928 00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:37,690 of that is that the topology is that the 929 00:39:43,140 --> 00:39:39,730 map is that what it is so much we don't 930 00:39:44,220 --> 00:39:43,150 know we only are shown and like what I 931 00:39:47,309 --> 00:39:44,230 was trying to say in the beginning was 932 00:39:49,290 --> 00:39:47,319 it depends on the framework model you're 933 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:49,300 comfortable with I mean I know some 934 00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:50,890 people that are comfortable with aliens 935 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:54,640 and UFOs and otherworldly people I'm not 936 00:39:59,970 --> 00:39:57,130 going to say that's the vibration I'm at 937 00:40:02,760 --> 00:39:59,980 but have I experienced that type of 938 00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:02,770 connection when I tap into certain 939 00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:06,640 things yeah I have people star people so 940 00:40:11,010 --> 00:40:08,800 to speak outwards like people yeah do I 941 00:40:12,990 --> 00:40:11,020 resonate it and use as my framework no 942 00:40:15,059 --> 00:40:13,000 well when you say use it as your 943 00:40:17,790 --> 00:40:15,069 framework Lamia share understand what do 944 00:40:20,490 --> 00:40:17,800 you mean by that is there a reality I 945 00:40:24,030 --> 00:40:20,500 think what people struggle with is is 946 00:40:28,319 --> 00:40:24,040 there a reality to that it could be for 947 00:40:31,470 --> 00:40:28,329 them and we'll talk about yeah I hate 948 00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:31,480 that answer it could be for them well we 949 00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:33,730 could say that about any there's so much 950 00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:36,160 we don't know there's so much we don't 951 00:40:40,140 --> 00:40:39,310 know and and for me let's see that's 952 00:40:42,780 --> 00:40:40,150 pretty straightforward 953 00:40:46,829 --> 00:40:42,790 okay so there's intelligent beings on 954 00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:46,839 other planets that occupy this extended 955 00:40:52,380 --> 00:40:49,119 consciousness realm or can't access 956 00:40:53,609 --> 00:40:52,390 extended consciousness realm yes no I 957 00:40:55,980 --> 00:40:53,619 believe so 958 00:40:58,050 --> 00:40:55,990 I believe there's layers different 959 00:41:01,079 --> 00:40:58,060 layers people go to shop shamanic layer 960 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:01,089 there's the alien star people layer 961 00:41:07,230 --> 00:41:03,970 there's probably a fairy realm layer or 962 00:41:09,690 --> 00:41:07,240 witch creditors whatever there is it's 963 00:41:11,790 --> 00:41:09,700 just what you vibrate with in and in 964 00:41:13,859 --> 00:41:11,800 terms of your energy when I talk about 965 00:41:16,190 --> 00:41:13,869 framework it's what you resonate with so 966 00:41:19,340 --> 00:41:16,200 I talk it in more spirituality guy 967 00:41:22,210 --> 00:41:19,350 and spiritual guides and that layer but 968 00:41:27,500 --> 00:41:22,220 have I been able to kind of access 969 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:27,510 things and other realms yes do I talk in 970 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:29,970 that language do I pray to it or do I do 971 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:31,050 rituals by it 972 00:41:36,170 --> 00:41:33,330 no because that's not my framework but I 973 00:41:38,330 --> 00:41:36,180 don't discourage other people from it if 974 00:41:40,910 --> 00:41:38,340 that's their way to access it now there 975 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:40,920 are tricky little things in each world 976 00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:43,890 or framework and how they best work with 977 00:41:47,930 --> 00:41:46,560 it and it is dangerous it is you don't 978 00:41:49,610 --> 00:41:47,940 know what you don't know and you're 979 00:41:52,100 --> 00:41:49,620 going to go up and be like hey let's do 980 00:41:54,260 --> 00:41:52,110 this and let's do this ritual and I 981 00:41:57,290 --> 00:41:54,270 don't know do this and connect to this 982 00:41:59,120 --> 00:41:57,300 and you don't know what you're getting 983 00:42:00,650 --> 00:41:59,130 into okay so you're using that term 984 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:00,660 framework I just want to make sure I 985 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:01,890 understand because you kind of mix in 986 00:42:06,890 --> 00:42:04,890 the other thing they're like and I think 987 00:42:09,890 --> 00:42:06,900 I'm getting it and it makes sense in 988 00:42:12,580 --> 00:42:09,900 that if you have this big consciousness 989 00:42:14,780 --> 00:42:12,590 sphere out there that is unlimited 990 00:42:16,190 --> 00:42:14,790 unfathomable and we really can't 991 00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,200 understand from our human intelligence 992 00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:18,720 and you're trying to tap into it to 993 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:22,800 create better things for your life and 994 00:42:27,410 --> 00:42:24,690 for other people's lives then you're 995 00:42:29,390 --> 00:42:27,420 saying you found a particular way to 996 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:29,400 shut up and calculate into that and 997 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:33,090 that's what you kind of focus on and you 998 00:42:40,610 --> 00:42:34,770 don't exclude that there might be other 999 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:40,620 ways but to what extent do you D so what 1000 00:42:45,530 --> 00:42:42,930 are the limits and boundaries of that 1001 00:42:47,390 --> 00:42:45,540 framework I mean how do you feel how do 1002 00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:47,400 you feel about that that framework how 1003 00:42:50,810 --> 00:42:48,720 have you learned that framework 1004 00:42:52,580 --> 00:42:50,820 what is that framework I learn it 1005 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:52,590 personally for me through experience and 1006 00:42:59,090 --> 00:42:56,490 what I've seen in my own scientific 1007 00:43:00,830 --> 00:42:59,100 method way well I don't just buy into it 1008 00:43:03,470 --> 00:43:00,840 but if things have happened and it's 1009 00:43:04,940 --> 00:43:03,480 been fairly consistent I'm like okay I 1010 00:43:05,390 --> 00:43:04,950 think that that's real I'm not imagining 1011 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:05,400 this 1012 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:08,010 and that and that shaped my frame we're 1013 00:43:13,490 --> 00:43:10,410 going to adjust and so you have a spirit 1014 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:13,500 guide right me yes okay so a lot of 1015 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:15,810 people claim this right so we'll just 1016 00:43:19,370 --> 00:43:18,090 kind of add that to another claim so you 1017 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:19,380 know the spirit guide and maybe the 1018 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:21,050 spirit guide is kind of helping you 1019 00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:23,370 formulate that framework and saying hey 1020 00:43:26,540 --> 00:43:24,720 kind of go in this direction try this 1021 00:43:27,650 --> 00:43:26,550 don't try this kind of thing is that 1022 00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:27,660 true or not 1023 00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:29,760 so I've learned and felt and the way is 1024 00:43:32,780 --> 00:43:30,960 I've learned about protection and 1025 00:43:34,580 --> 00:43:32,790 grounding and clearing because I've got 1026 00:43:36,650 --> 00:43:34,590 in trouble I've definitely gotten in 1027 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:36,660 trouble with things I don't ever really 1028 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:40,050 want to experience again um but then 1029 00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,930 it's like I've been guided and shown 1030 00:43:46,430 --> 00:43:44,160 different things or when I channel 1031 00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:46,440 things it's like oh wow 1032 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:48,960 okay didn't think that was possible or 1033 00:43:52,130 --> 00:43:50,370 interesting but it makes sense when I 1034 00:43:53,690 --> 00:43:52,140 state to other people or they feel like 1035 00:43:55,460 --> 00:43:53,700 oh yeah I read that somewhere but I've 1036 00:43:57,290 --> 00:43:55,470 never read it some are but that's what I 1037 00:43:59,810 --> 00:43:57,300 was seeing but haven't you run across 1038 00:44:03,590 --> 00:43:59,820 people that I have that have channeled 1039 00:44:06,140 --> 00:44:03,600 and learned stuff and it's pretty wacko 1040 00:44:08,210 --> 00:44:06,150 or it doesn't seem to kind of fit yet if 1041 00:44:10,310 --> 00:44:08,220 it doesn't resonate with me I don't I 1042 00:44:13,790 --> 00:44:10,320 can have it can we kind of objectivity 1043 00:44:15,650 --> 00:44:13,800 say it's just not it's it's not good 1044 00:44:17,450 --> 00:44:15,660 it's like and that's why I like science 1045 00:44:19,090 --> 00:44:17,460 you know you're a science person too and 1046 00:44:23,150 --> 00:44:19,100 I come back to science and say you know 1047 00:44:25,700 --> 00:44:23,160 but that's not good science so I think 1048 00:44:28,250 --> 00:44:25,710 literally we have an electric vibration 1049 00:44:30,830 --> 00:44:28,260 whether it's the color or sound that can 1050 00:44:33,230 --> 00:44:30,840 be translated and as we open up our 1051 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:33,240 vibration gets hard we feel lighter and 1052 00:44:39,140 --> 00:44:36,570 what things that are heavier so if I'm 1053 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:39,150 not a certain vibration drugs don't 1054 00:44:43,220 --> 00:44:41,010 appeal to me right 1055 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:43,230 I don't nothing or that party thing 1056 00:44:49,660 --> 00:44:46,010 won't appeal to me right it just feels 1057 00:44:51,650 --> 00:44:49,670 dirty or achy or something for me right 1058 00:44:53,210 --> 00:44:51,660 but if I might a load with that 1059 00:44:56,060 --> 00:44:53,220 vibration I'm depressed 1060 00:44:58,850 --> 00:44:56,070 right everything will just feel I'll 1061 00:45:01,100 --> 00:44:58,860 feel heavy and and you know people say 1062 00:45:02,810 --> 00:45:01,110 like attracts like so and people will be 1063 00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:02,820 like wow you're really down you look 1064 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:06,000 down or you look you know oh I'll be 1065 00:45:10,340 --> 00:45:08,130 depressing to be around no I don't think 1066 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:10,350 that's I think that's good I think that 1067 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:14,490 kind of maybe hammered that hammer that 1068 00:45:20,510 --> 00:45:17,610 story again but I'll return to I guess 1069 00:45:23,630 --> 00:45:20,520 another thing that always comes up for 1070 00:45:25,940 --> 00:45:23,640 me okay and that's that you know when 1071 00:45:27,380 --> 00:45:25,950 you talk about the evils that we talked 1072 00:45:28,940 --> 00:45:27,390 about in the spirits I don't really 1073 00:45:30,530 --> 00:45:28,950 appreciate you sharing that sir I think 1074 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:30,540 it's important because I think that gets 1075 00:45:35,450 --> 00:45:33,450 you know glossed over in a way that 1076 00:45:39,230 --> 00:45:35,460 maybe we hammer 1077 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:39,240 the flipside of that is the moral 1078 00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:43,290 hierarchy on the higher side so God you 1079 00:45:47,660 --> 00:45:45,119 know to really reduce it down to a 1080 00:45:49,970 --> 00:45:47,670 simple term which just throws everyone 1081 00:45:51,980 --> 00:45:49,980 for a loop and I know on this show when 1082 00:45:53,540 --> 00:45:51,990 I mention the people are low and then 1083 00:45:54,980 --> 00:45:53,550 when you get into the parapsychology 1084 00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:54,990 community where we see on the left hand 1085 00:45:58,250 --> 00:45:57,690 side they cannot handle that at all to 1086 00:46:01,180 --> 00:45:58,260 me 1087 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:01,190 purely from a scientific philosophical 1088 00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:05,010 rational basis it's all over the place 1089 00:46:10,609 --> 00:46:08,160 if there is a hierarchy if we can 1090 00:46:14,300 --> 00:46:10,619 identify this dark heavy kind of thing 1091 00:46:16,700 --> 00:46:14,310 and we can identify this light love kind 1092 00:46:19,339 --> 00:46:16,710 of thing and then we can go and take the 1093 00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:19,349 medium work that you do and others have 1094 00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:21,599 done the near-death experience work and 1095 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:23,520 they come back and consistently said hey 1096 00:46:30,319 --> 00:46:25,890 there's there's a direction man and it's 1097 00:46:32,930 --> 00:46:30,329 heading up you know then again that 1098 00:46:36,829 --> 00:46:32,940 doesn't fit with the sphere that you've 1099 00:46:39,380 --> 00:46:36,839 drawn there I'm sorry it doesn't it fits 1100 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:39,390 more like a pyramid and you know Iike 1101 00:46:42,980 --> 00:46:40,770 drop here I mean it's out of the sphere 1102 00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:42,990 of bang but everyone always draws the 1103 00:46:46,910 --> 00:46:45,089 circle and says well it's all about and 1104 00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:46,920 spear experience there's nothing good or 1105 00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:49,920 bad so I don't know I'm not trying to 1106 00:46:55,849 --> 00:46:52,079 lay some big trip on somebody or say 1107 00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:55,859 that I have any kind of ability to to do 1108 00:47:00,800 --> 00:46:58,560 right or do wrong but can we at least 1109 00:47:03,500 --> 00:47:00,810 establish there is good 1110 00:47:05,359 --> 00:47:03,510 John is bad well that's what in that you 1111 00:47:07,339 --> 00:47:05,369 can have an experience of good or bad 1112 00:47:10,010 --> 00:47:07,349 like it's free will that's why I was 1113 00:47:12,770 --> 00:47:10,020 like you can choose evil yeah I could 1114 00:47:14,900 --> 00:47:12,780 have chosen that voice I don't really I 1115 00:47:17,150 --> 00:47:14,910 think that'd have been a bad thing but I 1116 00:47:19,930 --> 00:47:17,160 could have chosen it that was my choice 1117 00:47:22,490 --> 00:47:19,940 so shall we always try to choose good 1118 00:47:24,380 --> 00:47:22,500 people might not want that in that 1119 00:47:27,020 --> 00:47:24,390 moment but you know we always try and 1120 00:47:29,390 --> 00:47:27,030 choose good I think we should I think we 1121 00:47:31,790 --> 00:47:29,400 should too and that's problematic for 1122 00:47:34,609 --> 00:47:31,800 folks when you say that is that you know 1123 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:34,619 I think that's what we're trying to do 1124 00:47:38,780 --> 00:47:36,930 and not with any big heavy judgement or 1125 00:47:41,569 --> 00:47:38,790 not with coming down and whacking people 1126 00:47:43,059 --> 00:47:41,579 with by holes or Satan or Scaramanga 1127 00:47:44,380 --> 00:47:43,069 that but it does 1128 00:47:46,029 --> 00:47:44,390 seem to me that we can kind of lose 1129 00:47:49,539 --> 00:47:46,039 sight of that sometime with some of our 1130 00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:49,549 new agey shop we're trying to do the 1131 00:47:54,729 --> 00:47:51,680 right thing which the problem is just 1132 00:47:57,249 --> 00:47:54,739 it's we have a hard time doing it yeah 1133 00:47:58,779 --> 00:47:57,259 well there are consequences they will 1134 00:48:00,699 --> 00:47:58,789 pay their own consequences that's where 1135 00:48:02,799 --> 00:48:00,709 karma and stuff comes in but yeah if 1136 00:48:05,140 --> 00:48:02,809 every one we should try to do a good 1137 00:48:06,759 --> 00:48:05,150 thing or the right thing but as you can 1138 00:48:10,859 --> 00:48:06,769 see in the newspaper in the headlines 1139 00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:10,869 not everyone does and people get hurt 1140 00:48:17,130 --> 00:48:13,609 well because of the the alternative this 1141 00:48:20,799 --> 00:48:17,140 and I always find it in this come loving 1142 00:48:22,089 --> 00:48:20,809 loving like debates if you will but you 1143 00:48:24,219 --> 00:48:22,099 know there's some people in the magic 1144 00:48:27,189 --> 00:48:24,229 community in the occult community that 1145 00:48:30,370 --> 00:48:27,199 really find an attraction to the do 1146 00:48:32,620 --> 00:48:30,380 without wealth kind of thing right so I 1147 00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:32,630 always point to Aleister Crowley because 1148 00:48:36,759 --> 00:48:34,880 he's so despicable and he's easy to kind 1149 00:48:39,039 --> 00:48:36,769 of put in that category but there is a 1150 00:48:44,019 --> 00:48:39,049 lot to do with that will thing is that 1151 00:48:46,809 --> 00:48:44,029 if I'm following my true desires there 1152 00:48:51,779 --> 00:48:46,819 can be nothing really wrong with that 1153 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:51,789 and to me that that that's okay as a 1154 00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:54,650 philosophical position it just seems to 1155 00:48:59,890 --> 00:48:57,410 me to be inconsistent with the data 1156 00:49:01,930 --> 00:48:59,900 we're talking about here it seems she 1157 00:49:04,299 --> 00:49:01,940 directly conflicting with the data that 1158 00:49:07,059 --> 00:49:04,309 says no you can't just do what thou wilt 1159 00:49:10,089 --> 00:49:07,069 there's a number of decisions that you 1160 00:49:11,739 --> 00:49:10,099 have to make and at every point it's do 1161 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:11,749 the right thing do the right thing do 1162 00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:13,130 the right thing well of cause and effect 1163 00:49:17,979 --> 00:49:15,680 you can do what you want but you will 1164 00:49:18,299 --> 00:49:17,989 have to pay kind of the consequences for 1165 00:49:21,309 --> 00:49:18,309 it 1166 00:49:24,999 --> 00:49:21,319 that's where I guess my belief of karma 1167 00:49:26,229 --> 00:49:25,009 comes in and just the basic law of cause 1168 00:49:28,839 --> 00:49:26,239 and effect that's why people are like oh 1169 00:49:30,670 --> 00:49:28,849 you know don't do this or it'll come 1170 00:49:34,299 --> 00:49:30,680 back to you type of thing you know three 1171 00:49:36,599 --> 00:49:34,309 times worse or whatever right so I still 1172 00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:36,609 do believe in free will and choice 1173 00:49:41,739 --> 00:49:39,680 can they make good choices yes and I 1174 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:41,749 hope they do can they make bad choices 1175 00:49:47,069 --> 00:49:45,170 or go towards darker heavier evil yeah 1176 00:49:50,349 --> 00:49:47,079 will there be consequences 1177 00:49:52,660 --> 00:49:50,359 yeah whether that's in this lifetime or 1178 00:49:54,420 --> 00:49:52,670 another and again my Buddhist belief or 1179 00:49:57,420 --> 00:49:54,430 whatnot yeah 1180 00:50:00,420 --> 00:49:57,430 so again if we take a big picture people 1181 00:50:03,450 --> 00:50:00,430 are seeking healing we get that in a 1182 00:50:06,809 --> 00:50:03,460 number of different ways but what is 1183 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:06,819 really being healed in that same sense 1184 00:50:11,370 --> 00:50:09,130 that we're talking about of we all have 1185 00:50:13,260 --> 00:50:11,380 this path we all have decisions but then 1186 00:50:15,930 --> 00:50:13,270 the healer comes along and does what 1187 00:50:18,779 --> 00:50:15,940 like helps boost us along the path or um 1188 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:18,789 so I believe there's a the energy body 1189 00:50:23,010 --> 00:50:20,410 that overlays your physical body and 1190 00:50:25,230 --> 00:50:23,020 there's layers within that whether it's 1191 00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:25,240 mental emotional spiritual as well as 1192 00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:30,160 the physical and the healer helps you're 1193 00:50:34,529 --> 00:50:32,559 just like if you go see a doctor helps 1194 00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:34,539 facilitate that healing in those 1195 00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:36,250 different layers so if it's to move on 1196 00:50:39,809 --> 00:50:38,049 your life every feeling stuck 1197 00:50:42,690 --> 00:50:39,819 emotionally or mentally or physically 1198 00:50:46,049 --> 00:50:42,700 it's you know I'm blocking those 1199 00:50:49,529 --> 00:50:46,059 energies so you can be more effective in 1200 00:50:52,140 --> 00:50:49,539 you your energy in your own body to to 1201 00:50:56,910 --> 00:50:52,150 make decisions to see more clearer to 1202 00:50:59,250 --> 00:50:56,920 feel more grounded to not be as heavy so 1203 00:51:01,559 --> 00:50:59,260 you know let me ask like the dumb 1204 00:51:04,620 --> 00:51:01,569 question like why do we need healing I 1205 00:51:07,289 --> 00:51:04,630 mean why isn't God just healing us God 1206 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:07,299 and people are not sticking a religious 1207 00:51:10,890 --> 00:51:08,890 guy yeah I'm just using that as a 1208 00:51:12,990 --> 00:51:10,900 shortcut I think some people pray and 1209 00:51:15,329 --> 00:51:13,000 use that and yeah you don't need a 1210 00:51:17,010 --> 00:51:15,339 healer some people just need but some 1211 00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:17,020 people praying it doesn't work yeah and 1212 00:51:20,250 --> 00:51:19,569 some people do everything possible when 1213 00:51:21,900 --> 00:51:20,260 it doesn't work 1214 00:51:24,450 --> 00:51:21,910 some people do nothing in it work yeah 1215 00:51:27,630 --> 00:51:24,460 it's it's but maybe they do nothing but 1216 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:27,640 maybe there's I don't know their guides 1217 00:51:32,339 --> 00:51:28,930 around or something else around the 1218 00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:32,349 helps them but like I know I facilitate 1219 00:51:37,410 --> 00:51:35,680 and I usually get people that come to me 1220 00:51:40,260 --> 00:51:37,420 for healings a lot of times as a last 1221 00:51:42,930 --> 00:51:40,270 resort where you know doctors haven't 1222 00:51:45,289 --> 00:51:42,940 helped them you know or counselors 1223 00:51:48,750 --> 00:51:45,299 haven't helped them and they just need 1224 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:48,760 those desperate really and there that's 1225 00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:50,410 when they're open and they're like you 1226 00:51:55,559 --> 00:51:52,480 know what sure I'm going to try 1227 00:51:57,029 --> 00:51:55,569 something I'll be open to it so what do 1228 00:51:59,579 --> 00:51:57,039 you think you are doing in that process 1229 00:52:03,240 --> 00:51:59,589 in that process of healing 1230 00:52:06,780 --> 00:52:03,250 what are you as an energy healer doing 1231 00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:06,790 I'm a channel so for me 1232 00:52:10,500 --> 00:52:08,890 allowing spirit to work through me or 1233 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:10,510 their gods to work through me to help 1234 00:52:13,050 --> 00:52:10,930 them 1235 00:52:18,660 --> 00:52:13,060 why does spirit need you because some 1236 00:52:20,820 --> 00:52:18,670 people I think might not feel them like 1237 00:52:23,460 --> 00:52:20,830 next to them the spirits or whatever and 1238 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:23,470 because I'm channel it's a little more 1239 00:52:28,860 --> 00:52:25,690 directive it's like somebody standing 1240 00:52:31,620 --> 00:52:28,870 next to you I'm feeling that but no deaf 1241 00:52:34,580 --> 00:52:31,630 spirit doesn't need me like we could go 1242 00:52:37,020 --> 00:52:34,590 into meditation and I'm not there and 1243 00:52:39,390 --> 00:52:37,030 they'll do some healing I'll feel 1244 00:52:42,530 --> 00:52:39,400 lighter but I have a higher belief in 1245 00:52:45,210 --> 00:52:42,540 that so you told us a little bit about 1246 00:52:47,310 --> 00:52:45,220 your trip to New York so folks again 1247 00:52:49,350 --> 00:52:47,320 packed in very beginning again Joe is 1248 00:52:51,060 --> 00:52:49,360 nice enough to stop by here because her 1249 00:52:53,100 --> 00:52:51,070 parents live in Southern California and 1250 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:53,110 she's on her way to New York next week 1251 00:52:57,260 --> 00:52:54,970 and I think I kind of cut you off before 1252 00:52:59,010 --> 00:52:57,270 when you're talking about this 1253 00:53:00,840 --> 00:52:59,020 conference that you're doing not a 1254 00:53:04,410 --> 00:53:00,850 conference but Morgan workshop that 1255 00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:04,420 you're doing so how did that come about 1256 00:53:10,050 --> 00:53:07,330 and what are you trying to do for people 1257 00:53:12,540 --> 00:53:10,060 um that came about because I've been 1258 00:53:15,180 --> 00:53:12,550 teaching spiritual development in Sydney 1259 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:15,190 live face to face with people and doing 1260 00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:19,810 my work there and since um and when you 1261 00:53:22,500 --> 00:53:21,490 say spiritual development it's basically 1262 00:53:25,380 --> 00:53:22,510 all the stuff we've been talking 1263 00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:25,390 otherwise to our pretty much how to act 1264 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:27,280 to access their own intuition work with 1265 00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:29,410 their own guides or framework learning 1266 00:53:35,790 --> 00:53:33,760 about energy and healing as well as 1267 00:53:38,580 --> 00:53:35,800 reading and intuition clairvoyance 1268 00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:38,590 clairaudience clear sentience working 1269 00:53:44,430 --> 00:53:41,890 with energy and spirit so I've been 1270 00:53:46,380 --> 00:53:44,440 teaching that and more and more of 1271 00:53:49,170 --> 00:53:46,390 asking or getting clients overseas 1272 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:49,180 particularly in the u.s. saying if I 1273 00:53:55,770 --> 00:53:54,010 taught you know in the u.s. um because 1274 00:53:58,410 --> 00:53:55,780 I've currently live in Sydney Australia 1275 00:54:02,370 --> 00:53:58,420 you know I only travel here once or 1276 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:02,380 twice a year so I decided to make a new 1277 00:54:07,860 --> 00:54:04,930 curriculum that would virtual online so 1278 00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:07,870 that's evolutionary comm is where you 1279 00:54:13,820 --> 00:54:09,970 can go and check it out and that's I 1280 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:13,830 have the courses there in audio files 1281 00:54:20,310 --> 00:54:17,530 however I do live courses with small 1282 00:54:23,370 --> 00:54:20,320 groups of people six to eight people or 1283 00:54:25,980 --> 00:54:23,380 I after they listen to the audio files I 1284 00:54:27,770 --> 00:54:25,990 teach them that practical foundations 1285 00:54:30,650 --> 00:54:27,780 and exercises and help them develop 1286 00:54:35,420 --> 00:54:30,660 individually so we're just that 1287 00:54:38,940 --> 00:54:35,430 evolutionary y-o-u or actually it's 1288 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:38,950 evolutionary with a why and then oh you 1289 00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:41,290 yes that guy okay I'll have a link the 1290 00:54:44,370 --> 00:54:42,610 show notes just in case somebody wants 1291 00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:44,380 to check it out I did a little bit to 1292 00:54:50,100 --> 00:54:48,160 wiesen look at yeah yeah that's a tough 1293 00:54:51,740 --> 00:54:50,110 one those those domain names are always 1294 00:54:53,930 --> 00:54:51,750 hard I think I made a good choice 1295 00:54:57,060 --> 00:54:53,940 evolutionary you because I feel as 1296 00:54:58,980 --> 00:54:57,070 evolution of you is evolution as human 1297 00:54:59,640 --> 00:54:58,990 beand I mean can you imagine in the 1298 00:55:02,190 --> 00:54:59,650 future world 1299 00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:02,200 I mean we're developing AI and doing all 1300 00:55:06,690 --> 00:55:04,570 these things amazingly but what about 1301 00:55:08,220 --> 00:55:06,700 within ourselves I mean if we all have a 1302 00:55:10,860 --> 00:55:08,230 village then we could all develop them 1303 00:55:13,230 --> 00:55:10,870 and like tap into our intuition empower 1304 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:13,240 and we if we all suddenly like woke up 1305 00:55:17,580 --> 00:55:15,370 to everything and became that 1306 00:55:21,180 --> 00:55:17,590 consciousness if we all could actually 1307 00:55:23,130 --> 00:55:21,190 involve spiritually and personally it's 1308 00:55:24,990 --> 00:55:23,140 a very different world right we're 1309 00:55:26,130 --> 00:55:25,000 developing pockets right now yes there 1310 00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:26,140 is something going on people are 1311 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:28,570 awakening quote-unquote you know taking 1312 00:55:32,220 --> 00:55:30,010 classes and stuff so people are 1313 00:55:35,130 --> 00:55:32,230 searching for answers to explain the 1314 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:35,140 unexplainable to go beyond this realm 1315 00:55:40,170 --> 00:55:38,170 right so as we evolve you know that's 1316 00:55:41,220 --> 00:55:40,180 what I want to do and help so anyway 1317 00:55:43,410 --> 00:55:41,230 I've been doing these small group 1318 00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:43,420 sessions there about six eight people 1319 00:55:47,940 --> 00:55:44,530 and there's a group in New York I've 1320 00:55:49,650 --> 00:55:47,950 been doing with and basically they 1321 00:55:52,980 --> 00:55:49,660 convinced me to go out and New York and 1322 00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:52,990 do a live session so I've been working 1323 00:55:56,550 --> 00:55:54,610 with these people for six months and 1324 00:56:00,270 --> 00:55:56,560 they are amazing 1325 00:56:03,180 --> 00:56:00,280 and it's and if I did it before after 1326 00:56:06,210 --> 00:56:03,190 shots of who they were and in their 1327 00:56:08,550 --> 00:56:06,220 abilities they're they're truly amazing 1328 00:56:10,650 --> 00:56:08,560 tell folks because I think one less have 1329 00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:10,660 we talked and I you know ever said this 1330 00:56:15,570 --> 00:56:13,330 at the beginning but I called you joy to 1331 00:56:17,730 --> 00:56:15,580 do a healing yeah because I heard you on 1332 00:56:19,830 --> 00:56:17,740 the stuarts universe which was about a 1333 00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:19,840 year ago you did an awesome interview on 1334 00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:20,610 that 1335 00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:22,050 and I just kind of stuck in the back of 1336 00:56:27,710 --> 00:56:24,330 my mind that hey if I was going to try 1337 00:56:29,660 --> 00:56:27,720 along with conventional medicine which I 1338 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:29,670 did which was a total disaster but if I 1339 00:56:33,770 --> 00:56:31,410 was going to try that out would also at 1340 00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:33,780 the same time try complementary energy 1341 00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:36,690 healing so I called you and I have to 1342 00:56:40,130 --> 00:56:37,890 say folks I should have said this in the 1343 00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:40,140 beginning on the yacht cut this part at 1344 00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:42,810 the beginning hey the reason joy Lynn is 1345 00:56:48,140 --> 00:56:45,450 here today is because she was amazing 1346 00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:48,150 and I've done these things a bunch of 1347 00:56:52,970 --> 00:56:51,090 times and I tell folks I never made any 1348 00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:52,980 but if I say you know that just didn't 1349 00:56:56,870 --> 00:56:54,450 work for me for whatever reason I accept 1350 00:56:59,060 --> 00:56:56,880 that but I don't know if the healing 1351 00:57:03,230 --> 00:56:59,070 part of it worked but the intuitive part 1352 00:57:05,420 --> 00:57:03,240 was just incredible just incredible and 1353 00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:05,430 I've told the story several times that 1354 00:57:10,700 --> 00:57:07,650 you know was like you kind of got in my 1355 00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:10,710 head and said some things that like only 1356 00:57:16,490 --> 00:57:14,970 I know I've never expressed anyone else 1357 00:57:19,210 --> 00:57:16,500 so that was pretty cool 1358 00:57:21,740 --> 00:57:19,220 but in the process of us doing that 1359 00:57:23,180 --> 00:57:21,750 initial consultation in that and us 1360 00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:23,190 talking but we talked for a long time 1361 00:57:28,700 --> 00:57:25,650 you did tell me some pretty amazing 1362 00:57:31,460 --> 00:57:28,710 stories about what has happened between 1363 00:57:33,350 --> 00:57:31,470 you and some of your students oh sure 1364 00:57:36,140 --> 00:57:33,360 people would be interested in hearing 1365 00:57:39,470 --> 00:57:36,150 about that yeah I have actually call 1366 00:57:44,660 --> 00:57:39,480 them they're funny they're they're great 1367 00:57:46,700 --> 00:57:44,670 they um you know they they're everyone 1368 00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:46,710 has psychic and tuned abilities don't 1369 00:57:51,710 --> 00:57:48,240 just have it stronger than others and 1370 00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:51,720 some are you know mediums and some are 1371 00:57:56,810 --> 00:57:54,720 not but they all were psychic to some 1372 00:57:59,870 --> 00:57:56,820 extent and they've been developing for 1373 00:58:01,640 --> 00:57:59,880 the last six months and what's a good 1374 00:58:05,060 --> 00:58:01,650 story from one home that really jumps 1375 00:58:07,010 --> 00:58:05,070 out and trying to think of then were 1376 00:58:10,010 --> 00:58:07,020 they helped a family member oh no 1377 00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:10,020 actually um so we were doing one 1378 00:58:18,140 --> 00:58:13,530 exercise and when I was working on their 1379 00:58:21,860 --> 00:58:18,150 clairvoyance okay and I had a client 1380 00:58:25,349 --> 00:58:21,870 Cindy and it was a bit of a nutty 1381 00:58:29,099 --> 00:58:25,359 situation and I had to go to their house 1382 00:58:31,410 --> 00:58:29,109 and I said oh and I finished doing the 1383 00:58:33,479 --> 00:58:31,420 clearing and on the client I gave them 1384 00:58:35,940 --> 00:58:33,489 the name of the client in the location 1385 00:58:37,739 --> 00:58:35,950 and I said I want you guys to list we'll 1386 00:58:42,059 --> 00:58:37,749 talk about in class the next day right 1387 00:58:46,799 --> 00:58:42,069 and so I went in and I asked what they 1388 00:58:49,529 --> 00:58:46,809 got and um the way the location of my 1389 00:58:50,910 --> 00:58:49,539 client was set up it looked like it 1390 00:58:52,799 --> 00:58:50,920 would look like a hotel that was an 1391 00:58:57,630 --> 00:58:52,809 apartment complex but the image I kept 1392 00:59:00,539 --> 00:58:57,640 getting was like this 1920s brothel 1393 00:59:03,079 --> 00:59:00,549 thing and um looking at the history I 1394 00:59:05,789 --> 00:59:03,089 think it used to be a casino type of 1395 00:59:09,029 --> 00:59:05,799 venue there know the ajuga 1396 00:59:11,009 --> 00:59:09,039 or the image I got intuitively was 1397 00:59:13,529 --> 00:59:11,019 before you weren't well when I stepped 1398 00:59:15,839 --> 00:59:13,539 in there oh okay but then doing research 1399 00:59:18,359 --> 00:59:15,849 on it and asking around that place used 1400 00:59:21,809 --> 00:59:18,369 to be a casino type of event which 1401 00:59:24,089 --> 00:59:21,819 obviously had some ELISA activities well 1402 00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:24,099 one of my students as soon as said said 1403 00:59:30,299 --> 00:59:26,650 that she goes oh my gosh I kept getting 1404 00:59:32,759 --> 00:59:30,309 like really stiff dirty sex vibe and she 1405 00:59:34,769 --> 00:59:32,769 kept you described like the you know 1406 00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:34,779 lingerie and everything and I was like 1407 00:59:40,170 --> 00:59:37,359 yeah yeah she was just so happy about it 1408 00:59:41,729 --> 00:59:40,180 you know she was really excited about so 1409 00:59:45,390 --> 00:59:41,739 I was really impressed with their 1410 00:59:49,499 --> 00:59:45,400 abilities but yeah they they were really 1411 00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:49,509 amazed um you know just working with 1412 00:59:56,249 --> 00:59:53,440 energy at one point you know we were all 1413 00:59:58,079 --> 00:59:56,259 online and I could see them across my 1414 01:00:00,569 --> 00:59:58,089 screen and I had them work with 1415 01:00:02,579 --> 01:00:00,579 pendulums in their home and I could see 1416 01:00:04,739 --> 01:00:02,589 them walking back and forth all the 1417 01:00:07,439 --> 01:00:04,749 sudden you hear oh my god it's moving oh 1418 01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:07,449 my god what's this oh my god and it's 1419 01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:08,799 interesting and I would test them and 1420 01:00:13,140 --> 01:00:10,410 you know help them tune in and 1421 01:00:17,219 --> 01:00:13,150 consistently they would all get very 1422 01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:17,229 very precise readings or information 1423 01:00:24,059 --> 01:00:21,130 that I would check with and ask you know 1424 01:00:26,069 --> 01:00:24,069 professional readers and they were right 1425 01:00:29,130 --> 01:00:26,079 on par with them and they're just 1426 01:00:31,620 --> 01:00:29,140 amazing people so I'm going to New York 1427 01:00:32,910 --> 01:00:31,630 to see them and they helped me arrange 1428 01:00:38,070 --> 01:00:32,920 the 1429 01:00:39,900 --> 01:00:38,080 April first and second one I'm going to 1430 01:00:42,930 --> 01:00:39,910 be doing grounding clearing protection 1431 01:00:43,950 --> 01:00:42,940 so learning about your energy and the 1432 01:00:45,210 --> 01:00:43,960 energy of your environment how to 1433 01:00:47,670 --> 01:00:45,220 protect yourself how to clear yourself 1434 01:00:49,860 --> 01:00:47,680 that deals a little more with healing 1435 01:00:54,210 --> 01:00:49,870 but they'll actually be able to practice 1436 01:00:56,010 --> 01:00:54,220 it with each other like how to block 1437 01:00:59,700 --> 01:00:56,020 other energies from other people and 1438 01:01:01,110 --> 01:00:59,710 whatnot the second one April second will 1439 01:01:03,090 --> 01:01:01,120 be about your learning about your 1440 01:01:05,550 --> 01:01:03,100 intuition to Tarot so it's not really a 1441 01:01:07,650 --> 01:01:05,560 tear of course because you can just you 1442 01:01:09,570 --> 01:01:07,660 know read the book about the cards and 1443 01:01:13,110 --> 01:01:09,580 whatnot but accessing your intuition and 1444 01:01:16,260 --> 01:01:13,120 using tarot as more of a symbology to 1445 01:01:18,210 --> 01:01:16,270 see what to get and practice um you're 1446 01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:18,220 more psychic ability and intuition on 1447 01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:20,050 that so that's the second workshop on 1448 01:01:24,540 --> 01:01:22,330 doing in New York but ya know I'll be 1449 01:01:26,940 --> 01:01:24,550 doing more workshops I think I've had 1450 01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:26,950 requests in Chicago and San Diego so 1451 01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:29,440 Alex you know I might be doing something 1452 01:01:35,550 --> 01:01:33,250 together we'll see what we're doing or 1453 01:01:38,850 --> 01:01:35,560 when it comes to workshops a or we could 1454 01:01:42,510 --> 01:01:38,860 do a healing now well I do that so we 1455 01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:42,520 might wrap up this interview and then do 1456 01:01:50,250 --> 01:01:46,290 a healing and then I will report back to 1457 01:01:52,140 --> 01:01:50,260 listeners how it went but in the 1458 01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:52,150 meantime we've talked for a long time I 1459 01:01:59,010 --> 01:01:55,330 hope I can edit this into something that 1460 01:02:00,720 --> 01:01:59,020 is halfway coherent but I like this 1461 01:02:02,490 --> 01:02:00,730 format and I've gone more and more 1462 01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:02,500 conversational and more and more casual 1463 01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:05,170 because what it's really all about is 1464 01:02:10,740 --> 01:02:07,690 people connecting with you and if they 1465 01:02:13,500 --> 01:02:10,750 connect with you then everything else 1466 01:02:16,530 --> 01:02:13,510 flows from that whether they need your 1467 01:02:18,780 --> 01:02:16,540 services or your online courses or 1468 01:02:21,870 --> 01:02:18,790 whether they never want to see or hear 1469 01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:21,880 what's good yeah they will leave that 1470 01:02:24,540 --> 01:02:23,170 the opportunity to make that decision 1471 01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:24,550 and I think that's what it's all about 1472 01:02:29,790 --> 01:02:27,490 so awesome thanks for coming to my house 1473 01:02:32,850 --> 01:02:29,800 and doing oh so good seeing you infer 1474 01:02:34,380 --> 01:02:32,860 something care for having me thanks 1475 01:02:36,810 --> 01:02:34,390 again to Joy Lin for joining me attend 1476 01:02:39,150 --> 01:02:36,820 skeptic Oh the one question I tee up on 1477 01:02:41,370 --> 01:02:39,160 this interview is what do you make of 1478 01:02:43,950 --> 01:02:41,380 the evil spirits the joy was talking to 1479 01:02:46,110 --> 01:02:43,960 to do her bidding are they out there do 1480 01:02:46,710 --> 01:02:46,120 we have to worry about them or can we 1481 01:02:48,660 --> 01:02:46,720 just do 1482 01:02:50,220 --> 01:02:48,670 without wilt I know I've hammered on 1483 01:02:52,500 --> 01:02:50,230 that question a lot but it does seem to 1484 01:02:54,630 --> 01:02:52,510 be a big one of course place to dialogue 1485 01:02:57,500 --> 01:02:54,640 on that is at the skeptical forum or 1486 01:03:01,589 --> 01:02:57,510 through the skeptical website at sk e PT 1487 01:03:04,109 --> 01:03:01,599 k o comm and while you're there you can 1488 01:03:06,330 --> 01:03:04,119 find all the previous shows about 350 of 1489 01:03:09,420 --> 01:03:06,340 them they're all available for free no 1490 01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:09,430 subscription no download no paywall no 1491 01:03:13,349 --> 01:03:11,650 advertising no anything just take them 1492 01:03:15,660 --> 01:03:13,359 use them as you will hope you find value 1493 01:03:17,730 --> 01:03:15,670 in them hope you connect with me and 1494 01:03:18,839 --> 01:03:17,740 with the show and hope you stay with me 1495 01:03:21,300 --> 01:03:18,849 because I have some more great